Right, but Matrix has been around for a while and yet its only use is to be a hub for tech-related projects and support rooms. How would you propose we somehow get people using it?

Because no-one is using it

Honestly some good posts on any relevant community on Reddit have been very successful. Piefed saw a huge boon because of this at the beginning of February. The trouble is you can’t keep spamming it. Reasonably so.

I was referring to Stoat there.

No, by the same logic you should consider leaving lemmy.world.

Well tbf idk what you expect people on other instances to do about it lol

Yeah that means that he’ll be degrading his own income down the line lol but it does give new self-hosters the same tools to collect income which, like it or not, is necessary.

Idk how the pricing model works down the line when federation is active, but yeah.

Yes they have. It is third in their priority list.

But a centralised system based on a service hosted in the UK?

Stoat have ruled out federation. They are also UK based too. Not good long term.

Yes, but it just isn’t used in more casual ways. If I wanted to sit in Fediverse meta chatrooms and chatrooms for a bunch of clients and open source projects then Matrix is for me, but that’s not what people want out of Discord alternatives.

Did he just not want to bring it back up when he returned?

I am still on hold.

I can assure you here that the majority here will always want federation in anything even if it makes the sign-up process more complicated slightly to new users. For many reasons.

And sure, features also matter. If they didn’t, then Matrix would be already winning here.

Why? You could always self-host a federated Discord alternative and not federate it with anywhere else if you wanted it like that. You can use it like that and others can utilise its federation functions. Why is Federation presumably desirable for you when it comes to Lemmy but not Discord?

Federation is necessary here for long-term resistance to corporate greed and decline. It isn’t a selling point specifically for the individual user experience here.

No audio/screen sharing, incredibly basic community or “space” customisation tools. No roles.

Same reason the Fediverse does. Because a would-be piece of software can’t scale without it. If each instance is entirely disconnected, then you can’t jump between different communities on them without new accounts. This depresses growth. Your average would-be Discord instance host is unlikely to be able to scale up to any meaningful size to be a large host, and nor would that be desirable anyway as its just a form of centralisation to begin with.

Stoat have not designed their platform to federate and aren’t interested.

Well yes, it says: “To manage the influx of users during our public beta, we are throttling registrations…”

I am now waiting manual review