• Duallight@lemmy.today
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      4 months ago

      Eh, all he did was accept money to do exactly what he does: play a concert. Now if he canceled other concerts just for this, that would be a different story IMO. The Amazon execs would just buy a yacht or something instead if Dave declined.

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        4 months ago

        Ah the ol’ “If I didn’t accept the money to do something unethical, then someone else would have done it.” argument.

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          4 months ago

          Yeah, I can see how it could be seen that way. I’m thinking more along the lines of “Dave performs for money. Someone wants to pay a lot of money for a special performance, and it doesn’t affect any of his other shows so of course he would do it”. IMO what Dave did isn’t unethical, but I can see how it could be seen that way. But I also think if the article was “Amazon Execs bought a multi million dollar yacht after massive layoffs”, no one would be blaming the yacht manufacturer. Just the execs.

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            4 months ago

            no one would be blaming the yacht manufacturer

            I already don’t support yacht manufacturers. I own foo fighters albums. There is a massive difference in your example.

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              4 months ago

              The yacht was a bad example. What I’m getting at is that not hating something is not the same as supporting it. I don’t support Dave doing this, but I don’t hate him for doing it either.

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    It is a musician’s business to know who they are performing for and why - and the more famous they are, the more it starts to matter. Grohl knows this.

    The people on here who is excusing this with “capitalism bad except when people I like is doing it” arguments is just demonstrating how empty “liberal values” get when push comes to shove.

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      That’s actually their manager’s business. Literally what they hire them for. And honestly, if you’re going to fault them for performing a private venue for an Amazon event, you should also fault every artist that’s ever performed in like, Vegas. Casinos have been bleeding people to death long before Amazon hit the scene.

      I’m not going to fault a performer for literally doing their job and taking a fat payday. I’d probably do the same in their shoes, anybody who insists otherwise isn’t being honest with themselves.

      It’s not like the rider said “play show at Amazon, these guys just laid a lot of people off and are screaming about budget cuts so they want you to play for the rest. Here’s 4 million dollars.”

      It probably said “corporate event for 6-10k people. Here’s a check for 4 million dollars”

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    4 months ago

    If those dirty fucking workers had just worked harder they could have a Foo Fighters concert too.

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    4 months ago

    To think this is a problem with just Amazon is silly. This is every American corporation. The executives of every major corporation in this country treat themselves very very well on company dimes while their workers all languish in starvation wages. The only way to fight this is to raise the minimum wage to something that is livable for the average worker. The government needs to force these companies to behave. They will never and I mean abso-fucking-lutely never choose to treat their workers with respect and dignity by paying them a decent living wage.

    And the politicians that are in all of their pockets will never ever go against their corporate masters. The only way to make them listen is to get every single American to acknowledge that this is something that is needed and then push their politicians to do it or threaten their jobs by voting for someone else. This goes for both Democrats and Republicans, not quite equally but there’s definitely a few Democrats that need to be replaced.

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      The only way to fight this is to raise the minimum wage to something that is livable for the average worker.

      Then what do you do when only the Amazons and Walmarts of the world with the deepest pockets can afford that, and small business basically ceases to exist, as a result? People talk a lot about ‘if you can’t pay a livable wage you don’t deserve to be in business’, but the same people also complain about monopolies and lack of choice at the same time. How do you propose this be reconciled?

      Also, no one’s ever going to be able to begin to enforce a “living wage”, even if they wanted to, until that wage is given a concrete definition–at the very least, a formula with variables to account for cost of living differences across the country. Until then, all this clamoring for a “living wage” is completely pointless.

  • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.social
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    For those not upset and see the band “just playing a gig”, what would be a line that you personally would consider too far? Would you be ok with them doing a private show for Netanyahu and his cabinet? Would a private show for Trump and his Republican lackeys be ok? How about Nestle CEO and its board, but none of its workers? Would a private show for the Proud Boys be ok if they had a “dump truck full of cash”?

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      Seems like it’s just fanboyism and they can’t stand that a band they care about (or at least enjoy) has sold out to the absolute worst degree. People are right in that all bands sell out to a certain point (“All you know about me is what I’ve sold ya, dumb fuck/I sold out long before you’d ever even heard my name/I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit/And then you bought one” – Hooker with a Penis, Tool), but when you specifically accept a gig that is just some elitist executive party for a company that treats its employees like shit, you’ve gone too far.

      Fuck the Foos. And stop making it political (“lol, liberals”) – bullshit, this is just rampant band fanboyism.

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        And stop making it political

        It’s political because caring about people who aren’t rich is political.

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          The fact that you think it’s a certain side that does this is the only reason you think it’s political. And you’re wrong about it.

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    Dave is making money. Don’t blame him.

    I quit a company for this. We wouldn’t give our star performers raises, but they somehow managed to pull off a 7 million dollar one week party for the whole company. It would’ve been something like 100k per employee had they just handed out bonuses.

    We lost a wave of talent after that and their stock dropped 80%. I’m glad I cashed out when I did.

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      7 million could’ve paid 100k per employee? Impressive for a 70 person company to host such an expensive party then.

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      Dave is making money. Don’t blame him.

      Tf kinda brain dead excuse is this?

      Acting immorally is okay if you’re making money?

      This is truly mind-obliterating stupidity.

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        Ya… being paid to perform isn’t immoral. Honestly, I hope he took a ton of cash from Amazon for the show.

        Amazon is the crowd doing evil crap. Their immorality doesn’t automatically spread to everyone they interact with. Especially, people that aren’t actually aiding their efforts. This one is corporate waste

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          FFs took a huge paycheck of blood money that they could’ve easily turned down. They’re in it too.

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            Yes…I’m sure FF is intimately involved in Amazon internal politics. I’m sure they were made aware of every person fired to pay for their show before it was booked last year.

            It’s a gig. A highly paying gig. They don’t fucking care who’s in the audience.