Anti-vaxers are not forcing anyone not to get their kids vaccinated.
These are Lewis county Amish, they choose to live like the 1700s when kids died every winter and they just made more kids. They just chalk it up to God’s will.
it doesn’t matter if they force anyone or not, vaccines rely on herd immunity because not everyone can get vaccinated. You mess with the ratio of vaccinated-unvaccinated people (by casting doubt or not vaccinating yourself when you are able to) and you reintroduce diseases that were kept under control before.
You miss the point: this cult refuses all medical and technological advances, and their people die for a variety of reasons related to refusal to allow medical intervention, at all ages.
These are not MAGA Karens on Facebook.
They exclude themselves from modern society (except to sell us quaint shit at markets that may or may not be from their farms). You think they give a fuck about herd immunity? Or impact on people outside their cult?
How has a cult like that come to do such a thing if not from disinformation? and even without that, it is still possible that if all the other antivaxers existing made it bad enough that this cult got an actual infection.
The numbers of Amish (and Mennonites, since some are vaccine hesitant, too, AFAIK) is not large enough to push the numbers below herd immunity, though, is it?
Does it matter? Why can a group just pick and choose which parts of democratically agreed upon society they wish to ignore? I can’t say speeding limits are against my religion and just floor it without consequence.
Personally, I hate the idea of people opting out based on “religious” exemptions.
What is going to reach Amish, however? Most don’t send their kids to public schools. They are 26,000 out of 20 million in the state of New York.
What is the best bang for the buck is probably trying to squelch the antivaxxer movement (and finding ways to punish people like RFK junior) and working on getting the rest of the population vaccinated. Especially against something as contagious and so dangerous like measles.
Trying to reach 26,000 people that don’t even have televisions doesn’t seem like it would not have much traction when comes to trying to get general population to herd immunity levels.
Anti-vaxers are not forcing anyone not to get their kids vaccinated.
These are Lewis county Amish, they choose to live like the 1700s when kids died every winter and they just made more kids. They just chalk it up to God’s will.
it doesn’t matter if they force anyone or not, vaccines rely on herd immunity because not everyone can get vaccinated. You mess with the ratio of vaccinated-unvaccinated people (by casting doubt or not vaccinating yourself when you are able to) and you reintroduce diseases that were kept under control before.
You miss the point: this cult refuses all medical and technological advances, and their people die for a variety of reasons related to refusal to allow medical intervention, at all ages. These are not MAGA Karens on Facebook.
They exclude themselves from modern society (except to sell us quaint shit at markets that may or may not be from their farms). You think they give a fuck about herd immunity? Or impact on people outside their cult?
Fucking quarantine them all.
How has a cult like that come to do such a thing if not from disinformation? and even without that, it is still possible that if all the other antivaxers existing made it bad enough that this cult got an actual infection.
The numbers of Amish (and Mennonites, since some are vaccine hesitant, too, AFAIK) is not large enough to push the numbers below herd immunity, though, is it?
Does it matter? Why can a group just pick and choose which parts of democratically agreed upon society they wish to ignore? I can’t say speeding limits are against my religion and just floor it without consequence.
Personally, I hate the idea of people opting out based on “religious” exemptions.
What is going to reach Amish, however? Most don’t send their kids to public schools. They are 26,000 out of 20 million in the state of New York.
What is the best bang for the buck is probably trying to squelch the antivaxxer movement (and finding ways to punish people like RFK junior) and working on getting the rest of the population vaccinated. Especially against something as contagious and so dangerous like measles.
Trying to reach 26,000 people that don’t even have televisions doesn’t seem like it would not have much traction when comes to trying to get general population to herd immunity levels.
Except they effectively are. They’re stripping the rest of us of herd immunity