Support ends next year, but Windows 10 remains the most-used version of the OS.
  • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Nobody wants new features. If they wanted new features they would have gone to W11 already. They just want less bullshit.

  • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Please don’t. Just keep providing security updates for an extended time and don’t make Win 10 worse with these ‘features’ that are keeping people away from Win 11.

  • bitwolf@lemmy.oneEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Unfortunately for us, Windows 10 is stubbornly popular because we dont want the new features.

    (We also dont want a new CPU just to upgrade).

    • jettrscga@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 months ago

      I just dual booted Linux Mint yesterday when I was reminded of the Win 10 end of service date, and hope to keep with it as my main system.

      Linux has come a long way with compatibility since I last tried it ~10 years ago. The fact that Steam games ran perfectly without an evening of configuring settings blew my mind.

      • Omnifarious@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Honestly my ability to game has what has kept me out of linux. I trialed PopOs a while ago. I will more than likely switch to it when shit starts getting super annoying.

          • Gerudo@lemm.eeEnglish
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            4 months ago

            It’s the multi-player side that is still an issue though. The anticheat software is a pain.

            • BassTurd@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              4 months ago

              Some multiplayer, but not all. Not that that makes it perfect, but I’ve had minimal issues with multiplayer games. I do not play popular FPS games where anti cheat software is prevalent, so that’s mostly why. I did get Ghost of Tsushima the other day, and that is not compatible for online play, but I think that’s because of Sony.

              • ripcord@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                4 months ago

                Personally I’ve had zero issues with multiplayer. But yeah, I’m also not playing the latest twitch shooters and whatever.

                • Gerudo@lemm.eeEnglish
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                  4 months ago

                  I’d love to run just Linux, but I don’t want to hassle with dual boot for the couple of competitive shooters I do play.

                  It sucks because all the other games I play would run without a problem.

  • CoCo_Goldstein@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I’ve got Win 10 and it works fine. I have no reason to upgrade to Win 11. If any new ‘feature’ gets added to Win 10, I will disable it.

  • blind3rdeye@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 months ago

    The “and more” is the worrying part. They’re telling us that some of the things they are adding are not ‘features’. So then what are they?

    Ads, probably. That’s the trend these days. More and more ads, in everything, everywhere - just really probing the limits of tolerability.

  • Thrickles@lemm.eeEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Stubborn? Windows 11 does not support my older hardware. With no other reason to upgrade, I’m not dropping that kind of cash just for Windows 11.

    Regardless, I fully migrated to Linux last year.

  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Its not that 10 is more popular, its that 10 is less jacked up. Start jacking 10 and we’ll all go back to 7

  • adam_y@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    My set up comfortably plays cyberpunk at dead fancy settings, but doesn’t meet the system requirements for windows 11.

    Yeah, I’m going to rub out windows 10 as long as I can (although I dual boot Debian anyway).

    That’s why it is stubbonky popular.

    • e8d79@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      4 months ago

      For PC gamers Linux is the only alternative but I don’t expect a major migration. The last ten years have shown that the average gamer is willing to accept a lot of hostile behaviour from companies as long as they are able to keep playing their games. Microtransactions, Loot boxes, kernel level anticheat, and broken buggy releases haven’t killed that industry yet. Windows 11 is just another thing that will be loudly complained about in gamer circles but not much will come of it.

        • hightrix@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          This is it. Everything “just works” on windows. Until that exact same experience is available on Linux it will never take over. And no, I don’t mean “there is an app you can install for a distribution that makes it easy to…”. That is an immediate failure. It needs to be easy to do everything, out of the box, with no additional setup.

          I say this as someone that uses windows, Mac, and various flavors of Linux every single day. I want this for Linux, but it isn’t there.

          • Nommer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Exactly this. I’m comfortable in both windows and Linux. I tried Linux as my daily driver multiple times on my main PC but it was always not worth the effort. I don’t have days of free time anymore to mess with Linux as my main OS. I put Ubuntu on my laptop and while it worked I was often spending days troubleshooting some bug, either with the touchpad not working or with with the disro itself trying to something as simple as an image preview when selecting pictures to upload to discord or whatever.

            I’ve spun up dozens of virtual machines on my server at home and that’s where Linux just works. After I get it configured I’ve almost never needed to touch it again. Until Linux gets the basic user experience as easy as windows then people will stay with windows.

            • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Well yeah Ubuntu is shit. I haven’t had nearly this many problems. I also don’t use the latest hardware which helps immensely.

                • areyouevenreal@lemm.eeEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  Fedora, Arch, Void, and other distros with newer kernels have less issues with new hardware. By not using the latest hardware I mean hardware that’s been out a year or two. Not stuff that’s ancient. You probably won’t have any issues with the latest CPUs and GPUs on say Arch or Fedora, but it can be an issue for things like WiFi cards or on distros like Debian, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu.

            • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              3 months ago

              I don’t have days of free time anymore to mess with Linux as my main OS.

              I get paid to deploy and troubleshoot Windows. I use Linux at home. Do I do this because after spending hours forcing Windows to behave as desired I want to come home and do the same to my Linux box? No, I do it because Linux is reliable and easy, and it’s not built on a premise that someone else knows how I want my computer to work better than I do.

              Having to fight against what MS wants (or throw up your hands and accept it) is now baked into Windows. Even if I had to spend hours to use something else, I would.

              I don’t intend this to disparage you, I say this because comments like quoted always ruffle my feathers. As if everyone who uses Linux has said, “Welp, I know this takes hours a day of my time to use, but dammit I’m just stubborn.”

              NO, this is not what using Linux is like for the majority of people who choose to use it, even for gaming. If it’s like that for you, then you need a different distro, or different hardware, or you aren’t actually as comfortable with Linux as you think you are.

              And it’s OK not to be comfortable with it, no one sprang from the womb knowing Linux - but to imply that Linux requires hours of time to use vs Windows is IME very false. Yes, it requires people to learn new things, but no one came from the womb knowing Windows either - most of us have just been exposed to it continuously and have invested that learning time without even realizing it since we’ve always been “forced” (to one degree or another) to use it.

              • Hucklebee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                3 months ago

                So have you tried music production with Linux? Installing VSTs is exactly that: hours upon hours of banging your head against a wall with Wine.

                There simply are usecases that don’t work out of the box with Linux that do on Windows because the companies don’t support Linux.

              • Nommer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                3 months ago

                You’re wrong but okay. I’ve tried it on and off for over a decade and I always come back to windows. Not because it does everything I want but because it just works. As I’ve said, I used it for both desktops and servers and it’s always the same for desktops. Linux has always given me some sort of problem for every day use no matter the distro or hardware. I’ve used Debian, Ubuntu, red hat, and opensuse. First laptop I tried Ubuntu on ages ago the wireless never worked and dozens of attempts to fix it didn’t work. Tried it again a few years later on a gaming PC I built and had to tweak every individual game to get it to work with wine. Plus there was always some audio bug I had to fix with sound or microphone just not working. And I could never get the same FPS as in windows. Once that PC died I built another one with windows. My previous build I dual booted windows and Linux and I had to switch to an ultra buggy alpha version of Debian to get my 1080 to work. When I went to uninstall that distro because it was too unstable, grub nuked the boot record and I couldn’t even get back into windows despite all the attempts I made to repair the MBR.

                This is all coming from someone who is college educated in this field so no I’m not some random chucklefuck who doesn’t know what their doing. I really dislike it when you Linux fanboys just brush off legitimate critisms because you personally haven’t had issues. Linux is not a mainstream OS and quicker you guys accept that then maybe we can move past this bullshit of having a free and open source OS that is unfriendly to use and move in to fixing the issues that’s preventing people from switching.

                • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  Linux is not a mainstream OS and quicker you guys accept that then maybe we can move past this bullshit of having a free and open source OS that is unfriendly to use and move in to fixing the issues that’s preventing people from switching.

                  Man, I don’t care if anyone switches or not. Convincing people to switch isn’t something I consider any kind of priority, and I don’t think it should be a priority for anyone. Linux is here, and happily used by many without these hours and hours of problems, and it’s constantly getting better. It’s there for the folks who want it. Windows has been on a downward spiral since Win2K went EoL, and each and every year I’m more and more surprised by the abuse they heap on their users. But, it’s fine with me for that to be fine for some folks.

                  I disagree with the specific sentiment I quoted for the specific reasons I described. I don’t claim it’s for everyone, nor that corner cases don’t exist. It’s entirely fine for us to disagree on this.

                  Edit–

                  I went back to reread my comment to see what was so offensive or could have been taken so negatively. I do think I should have included a “probably” near the beginning of the sentence below. Aside from that, yeah.

                  If it’s like that for you, then you need a different distro, or different hardware, or you aren’t actually as comfortable with Linux as you think you are.

    • c0ber@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      3 months ago

      and yes, I know they are both based off Linux.

      maybe pedantic, but macos is actually bsd based. chromeos being based off of actual linux(gentoo) is what has allowed them to slowly open it up to the point where you can actually install regular linux apps on it