You can, of course, think differently.

And I do. It’s been one argument the entire time, and I don’t see how it’s worth reframing the parallel when you seem not to (or have chosen not to) understand it the first two times.

Good day.

Edite: I see I typed Hamas when I meant to type Hezbollah in one place. Will correct now. I admit that was potentially confusing.

The pagers were used by Hezbollah, not Hamas.

I realize that, I was drawing a parallel between the two circumstances.

And again - when you drop a bomb, you can credibly have made an attempt to ensure no one is in the vicinity who you don’t intend to bomb. (Not that israel seems to do this) - this is especially true with modern technology.

You cannot reasonably predict the path that a pager takes once it is shipped, no matter who it is intended for, not least because no one expects a pager to be the source of a deadly threat. You control who owns that “bomb” you have just sent into the world only until the moment it is unpacked and given to the first person who takes possession of it.

They planted bombs in hardware that is used exclusively by Hezbollah operatives and their accomplices to evade gathering sigint. Yes, civilians got hurt. That’s the nature of war, and what makes it so horrible - people who might hold no malice nor pose any threat to the other side get hurt and die.

How is this argument different than defending the use of landmines?

So the pagers were ordered by Hezbollah. You send that text you don’t know if they are at a daycare picking up their kids, if they lost the pager and it’s sitting on some restaurant owner’s countertop next to some other family, etc etc etc.

There are so many things that can happen between when those pagers get rigged and sent out and the time they are detonated.

If Israel seemed at all like they tried to avoid bombing and shooting civilians in Gaza we could at least defend their actions there by saying “clearly they are trying to avoid civilian casualties” (we can’t, but we could) - but there is nothing but hopes and prayers to avoid civilian casualties in an attack like this.

Literally if any non-governmental entity did the same thing, no one would hesitate to call it a terrorist attack. And that’s what it is here, a terrorist attack.

Edit: Acknowledging that I typed Hamas out of habit instead of Hezbollah. Corrected.

Magas, anime butterfly meme, “Is this the deep state?”

Republicans are the DARVO party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

I mean, hasn’t it been pretty clear for at least a year now that this is the plan.

I’d love for that to be so, but I think centrist dems are OK with status quo, nothing progressive, already. An influx of “conservative democrats” isn’t going to move the needle in a good way.

Again, sincerely hoping to be proven wrong, that’s just how I read it.

Raise your hand if you think this will result in meaningful consequences of any kind.

crickets

Seriously WTF is up with this?

Also innocent Haitian immigrants were attacked.

https://haitiantimes.com/2024/09/11/haitian-immigrants-in-ohio-under-racist-attacks/

I can’t believe so many people are describing it that way. It’s clear there are plenty who will still vote for them.

I just see this making the Democrats even more conservative since the few non-batshit Rs will start looking that way and the leadership will try to woo them. (as they already are)

Progressives and actual leftists are going to be less represented, not more.

At least that’s my gloomy take. I’d love to be talked out of it.

He shouldn’t have access to sharp objects, nonetheless a firearm, or be fucking Sheriff. He’s a danger to his community.

So, par for the course with US law enforcement.

My bad.

But those damn Tesla shareholders…

No one who voted or will vote for him gives a shit anyway though, so the only way he’s going to go is if R does the right thing which, we know how that will play out.

I agree with everything you typed, but not so much the picture. I really think that body/looks-shaming Loomer is not a good look for us. There’s plenty to attack her on without attacking her looks.

I thought she was waiting to be tapped for VP honestly.

Obligatory -

FUCK YOU ANDREW JOHNSON!

And the worst part is SpaceX is a private company: no public shareholders to keep Musk in check.

Not like the Tesla or Twitter shareholders are doing much good anyhow.

Here’s a hint, all indications are that it would make things much, much worse.

It absolutely would, and Israel knows that too. So if there were a real threat of “take it down a notch or US support stops” I’m guessing that might influence Israel. But there is no such threat, they will continue to receive our unconditional support no matter what, and so it will continue until Netanyahu gets tired.

So terrorism…

Yes.