prove what point? what are you on?

that was never my argument, my argument was about the stigmatization only on one vice when it should be on both. I don’t think my words were clear or you are not understanding that.

no, im stating that people will demonize smoking which is fair, but when drinking is discussed its “socially acceptable” When are we going to start putting warning labels on alcohol bottles/boxes like we do with cigarettes?

i always bring it up when people defend it but alienate smokers

It came up on the context of nicotine and how much people are addicted, yet i don’t see the uproar of the people who throw their empties into the river or on the road.

No, i dont think so, i just don’t think its fair to demonize smoking if we celebrate drinking. everyone has a vice.

how harmful do you consider tobacco in the context of booze?

So what would you be your solution?

I know alot of people in my city and its one of the biggest in north america and they have never heard of it.

telegram is for pedos and this one guy i know uses it and i question his motives

“an iPhone which most youth dont have”

i see you dont live in north america

sorry, your right, i should correct myself, i have TRIED it, but havent fully played it.

i played it. it was dumb to me.

I have played no minecraft. Its just dull and boring. I actually don’t play much games anymore as i haven’t found anything that grabs my attention other than factorio and aurora4x, and even factorio i dont even play much anymore

This in turn is the problem im speaking about. We could go on about it all day. The only people that will use these tools for the most part are us. So naturally we should just be talking to each other, but yeah when it comes to our personal group, not happening.

ok

i want to use IRC but nobody ever talks to me in there

listen we need to have a chat,

you and me and some others on here understand using matrix and signal and whatever for E2EE chats. The people who use discord/facebook messenger/imessage/sms/whatsapp DO NOT GIVE A SHIT about this stuff. They are only going to use what is in pop culture. That’s how it is and i know it sucks, but people think its easy to “Get your family/friends over” whey they laugh at you and say “im not downloading just use x plz”

bye bye!

you mean the oligarchs that exist in Russia today?