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Come to Lemmy, where the left can still be found in all its unhinged glory. We have Eat-the-Rich-Mondays, Threaten-a-Tankie-Thursdays and Wine-about-Windows-Wednesdays.

Absolutely. I try to counter it by beeing aware and checking M opinions against facts where possible. But I am sure there are many topics where I don’t fully succeed or I haven’t caught myself doing it yet.

I honestly don’t see how I am or was screaming at you and u apologise if it came across as such. You are stating your opinion, which you indeed are entitled too. I am stating why I disagree. I am not attacking you as a person, or trying to belittle you for it. I simply don’t think it beneficial (for the left) to hold the view you have stated without evidence.

Trump is a con man and a liar, absolutely. But for pulling of something on this scale it needs way, way more than one person. And all of them would have to hold tight, no leaks what so ever. That just doesn’t sound realistic to me. I do hold the view hat we should base our opinions in fact, not speculation. I don’t mean this as an attack. Ist just my view.

I am also not accusing you or anyone of beeing in cult.

I said it before to another person here, I’ll say it again: I understand how you, how we all are angry, hurt, devasted even after this election. I share those emotions very much.

I still don’t think we should copy the behaviour of the other side. I know you feel justified in your option. So do they. That doesn’t make it more or less true though. Cult like would leave no room for discussion what so ever tough. I think we have that room, and are engaging in it right now. I think indeed the very fact that we are able to exchange opinions on this shows how this is very much not a cult.

One person is not a conspiracy theory

Sure, but you are not the only person here, who is taking that narrative.

Sure Trump is a fucking Bastard. But we hit quite hard on the right for speeding their conspiracy “stolen election” shit in 2020. I just don’t think it’s sensible to turn that around. With clear cut evidence: sure thing. But just making the accusation… Na, not so much.

That’s fair, and I’m sorry to have been an asshole about it.

No worries. We all have to cope with this some way or another and sometimes that mean beeing a bit of an asshole. I don’t take it personal, I understand where you are coming from.

I question the fact that nearly 1 in 2 Latino voters voted to deport themselves

Latin are a conservative bunch by nature. Many of the progressiv view the left hold, regarding for example masculinity and feminism, stand in contrast to their culture. (This is a very broad statement that does not aplly to all Lations!) And many think that it’s not going to be them that will be deported, it will he those Mexican drug smugglers. Which is a delusional view to hold, in my opinion. Same fore for queer folk voting red. But it is want it is and the data we have from polling and voting do add up in regards to Lations.

I find it difficult to believe that 15+ million other voters who showed up to vote for Joe Biden, didn’t show up to vote for Harris.

Yes, that’s hard to swallow, I agree. Maybe it’s because the last vote happened with Corona in the backdrop? Maybe Trumps many Errors where much more fresh on the mind of so many. Maybe inflation kept people from trusting the Democrats. Maybe some just won’t vote for a female. Or a black person. Or, god forbid, both. Lots of possible reasons. I do think we should try to understand them and filter them on in the future.

This is the most politicized election we’ve had in over a century, nobody didn’t hear about this.

Yes, but that means you also listen to 2 party’s accusing one another of beeing the devil / literaly Hitler for one year plus. I see how people who are not that interested in politics can get numb to this.

because by the time I woke up after election night everyone had already decided none of the Dems showed up and Trump had won, when according to gov websites the final vote tally and certification isn’t even until mid December.

This realy sound exactly what republicans said in 2020.

I’ve never seen election results get called so early that I can remember.

That’s because they were realy very obvious this time. It didn’t come down to just a couple of votes in swingstates like in 2020.

According to this 2016, 2012 and 2008 where called on simular schedules or earlier. 2020 was an outline because of the amount of mail in votes.

I saw three different news stories about conservatives setting ballot boxes on fire. Our gerrymandering maps are so bad they can be confused for TV static from a distance. Millions of people had their voting registration purged by state level conservatives weeks or days before the election.

All of there are fair points, and they should be handled in two ways: Take evidence to the courts where illegal things happend. And try to change the system where fraud has been made legal.

Regarding both points i think it is a very real possibility that the window to deal with them is past and the Trump administration will solidify and widen them. This might have been our last fair election.

My only hope is that it goes like last time and they are at each other’s throuts for 4 years or just to incompetent to do to much that has lasting damaged. But I’m not betting on that. I think this time they will come prepared. And it will be the end of America as it is now.

Ah yes, it’s exactly the same with no differences,

Not what I said.

surely Trump isn’t known to be a cheat and a liar

I think it need more than one person to cheat on this scale, no?

Surely he hasn’t stated publicly his intentions to cheat the election.

He hasn’t. He said they need no more votes. You are taking thins one thing he said and pretending it’s “intention to cheat the election.”. Which is simply not true. It could also mean that he is sure he will win, because he thinks he has got all the states he needs on his side. I’m sure there are more interpretations. But that’s all it is.

No, he’s a perfect human being

Never said that.

we’re all just shouting about voter fraud because we’re stupid.

Never said that. Your angry, hurt, what ever. Emotional. And I understand that. I’m absolutely devasted by this shit. And I see how one might jump to conspiracy thinking in such a situation. I just don’t think it helps, so I’ll call it what it is. Not to attack you, as a person, or to call you names. Just because I don’t think it’s helpful.

I think we (as in “the left”) should try to base our opinions on facts and not repeat the shit the right is doing all the time, throwing baseless accusations around.

Ah, so now it’s time for baseless accusations from our side, yes?

As long as there is no proof this is as much a conspiration theory as the the bullshit the right was spewing about in 2020.

No, not true. They are saying that this time they knew to watch close, so the Democrats couldn’t pull of the same fraud as 2020. They are indeed stating that it is “supisious” that 13 Million Democratic voices where nowhere to be seen this time around, taking that as proof they were right all along.

That’s how this works. You take reality and then make it mean what you want it to mean. So that’s their take in regards to voter fraud.

I just saw a video about this some days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlUDzIhqDDw

Not 20 years later, but at all. At least that I’d their claim and I haven’t seen it debunked do far.

I’ll reluctantly link a right wing article that at least tries to come across not overly sensational:

The Free Beacon also obtained a copy of Harris’s October 1987 job application for a law clerk position in the Alameda County district attorney’s office. On that form, Harris, who was in law school at the time, listed several jobs—including a month-long clerical job at a stock brokerage—in a section that asked her to list every position she held in the last 10 years. McDonald’s is absent.

Harris lists three jobs on the application and five in total on an attached résumé, according to the documents, obtained through a public records request. Harris, who submitted the application as a second-year student at then-University of California, Hastings College of the Law, included granular life experience on her résumé—“extensive travel in India, Africa, [and] Europe” and “lived in Montreal, Canada for six years”—but not McDonald’s.

They’ve got photos of the resume and all.

The right is losing it because Harris said she worked at a McD bad has shown no prove of it.

Possible she never has and it’s a lie to appeal to the working class voters. Or not. I honestly dgaf.

This right is behaving as if Trump never told a single lie in his long life. It’s Harris making a claim without backing it up has been THE THING all week now on most right wing forums I peek at.

Yeah, but try saying something slightly to nuanced about the Israel - Palestine situation almost anywhere here and you get nuked.

Masnick gives 20 levels of development. Elon stopped here:

Level Two: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM!”

And that’s about it. Ex-Twitter has copyright infringement, hate speech and doesn’t give a fuck about local laws unless the law actually has teeth (Brasil, anybody?).

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“Going forward, to build a breakthrough Twitter 2.0 and succeed in an increasingly competitive world, we will need to be extremely hardcore,” Musk wrote in the all-staff email. “This will mean working long hours at high intensity. Only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade.”

This is so fucking cringy.

He paid 44 billion for twitter. He could pay the legal fees of every American for a year and it would hardly dent his wealth. It’s obscene how much money one person can have.

Yep, it’s just the new talking point from their supreme leader. It was “Sleepy Biden” before, now it’s “opportunistic race swapping Harris” (he is better with stupid names so he might come up with something more catchy, but that is the general direction).

They will gobble it up like all the shit they parrot all the time.

Yep, spot on. When you read trough their new media and their forums, this is ant it comes down to.

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How many predators can take down prey 50 times their size?

Ants and a couple of Insects I guess. Also Bacteria and Viruses.

How many species can thrive in tundra, jungles, plains, forests, mountains and deserts?

Well, obviously also most Bacteria. If we are speaking more sentient live then the answer is: mot of them. Birds, Mammals, Insects. It might take a generation or 10 to get them adopted to their new envirment, but almost every species. Is able to adopt to their evolutoany niche.

How many species can be found on every continent?

Most of them?

How many species figured out how to fly despite never developing wings?

Technology. Yes, that’s a human thing at last, at least at the level we use it.

How many species developed hundreds of distinct methods of communication

Various species have methods of communicating, from bees dancing to each other to whales having distinct regional dialects. Yes, humans have added some complexity to it by introducing technology, but that’s realy what it comes down to. Technology.

How many species have been to the moon?

Technology, once more.

So your point is that humans have learned to use technology, therefor they are badass.

I disagree. We are living in an absolut singularity tight now. Humans have learned to use finate resources (oil for example) to amplify the energy that we have at our hands. A single humans beeing today can use energy that would be equal to thousands of men’s work every day.

Since we are drawing on finate resources there are two ways how this will go: we will learn to exploit other, less finate sources of energy (say, fusion) and the groth path will continue (to the stars, eventually). Or we will run out of energy or ruin the livable world by doing so and will fall back to an earlier level of development. Since most of the resources needed are used up we will not be able clime back up. At this moment we are on the second of those paths.

And in our way in getting here we have started the sixt mass extinction, accidentaly started turning the climate into something less sustainable for humans and polluted every single space on this planet, including areas like the deep ocean that we have never even touched physically.

Humans are not badass, in my opinion. We are fucking cancer.