NoneOfUrBusiness

I’m not sure but isn’t that a thing more among Latino immigrants?

I don’t think this was the decider

It’s not the only factor, but I think it’s a fact that had Arab Americans voted blue in the same numbers as 2020, democrats would’ve won Michigan. Which wouldn’t have fucking mattered because Harris lost before Michigan even finished counting, but yeah.

And wages might be growing, but are lagging far behind inflation.

To be very fair real wages grew during Biden’s administration, but probably not enough and definitely not for everyone.

I mean to be fair it probably wasn’t necessary until last Tuesday.

That would have led to a landslide victory for the Dems.

Honestly, probably not really. It’d have likely led to a closer election by winning them Michigan, but the Democrats had a more fundamental problem than very unpopular foreign policy.

Lmao good catch.

I mean that’s basically what Obama did. It’s what Trump does. If you promise 100% and only give 30% you’ll be remembered as a good or good ish president. 60%+ and you’re the greatest president of all time. But when you promise -10% you’re just not gonna win.

Well let’s hope so so they can collapse and a real leftist (or even just sane) party can rise from the ashes.

Well Biden for example could’ve done a much better job actually persecuting prosecuting him for his crimes. He can do that as the head of the Executive branch.

I usually don’t use the term because it makes me sound like a tankie, but when I say blueMAGA it’s to describe the “hold your nose and vote Harris you fucking donkey” condescending pricks who that they’re both entitled to shut down all criticism of their preferred candidate and actually convincing anyone to vote by doing it. You know, the people now trying to convince themselves Harris only lost because Americans are sexist and racist and not at all because Harris’s campaign fucking sucked. How to tell: They’ll call anyone who criticizes Harris (they still do it but less often than before the election) MAGA, a Russian bot or a troll and seem convinced everyone who cares about Palestine is/was part of a Russian conspiracy to get Trump elected.

but the Democratic Party now needs to find a new leader who has some actual policies to run on.

Yeah ain’t happening until the gorgons in charge fucking die already.

Harris didn’t do anything any good pol wouldn’t do

Huh? Look at her campaign’s treatment of the Uncommitted movement, among others, and say that again. Harris was openly antagonizing her voters, relying completely on not being Trump ala Hillary Clinton and courting right wing voters at the cost of her base. And if you don’t believe it, well, take it up with Bernie.

I mean yeah but that didn’t need to be now. Harris basically threw the race and that’s part of why this disaster came to be. Even assuming American democracy was nearing the end of its lifetime, it should’ve had a few more decades in it. The popular will to defeat Trump was there.

including the 15 million Democrats, independents, and progressives wanted this election.

The what?

It’s all three.

Oh no I’m not even American. Anyway then I guess it’s just me.

Hey if you don’t want the status quo while slowly getting the progressives into office then hey that’s your guy’s choice here.

Why are you talking like this person is personally responsible for Trump winning? And what progressives? When the party platform is shifting to the right every election? Not saying electing Trump is the right answer but any solution that includes maintaining the status quo is failing or has already failed.

No matter whose fault it was, it was Harris and her campaign managers’ job to make sure this doesn’t happen. Blaming the voters is about as productive as yelling about your controller being broken. Or will it sound better if it’s Bernie saying it?

Who’s that woman in front? Feels like I’ve seen her before.