OBJECTION!

Of course, material conditions have nothing to do with what beliefs people arrive at or what movements spring up, no, it’s entirely 1) AI, before it existed, or 2) magic.

Yes, but also, the Catholic Church is and always has been a conservative institution, and doesn’t really need infiltration to be so. Anecdotally, my family has been Catholic for hundreds of years, literally the reason some of them came to America was because of Otto von Bismarck’s opposition to Catholicism, and they are diehard Republicans.

This is something that always struck me as strange, coming from a conservative Catholic family, is how people in my family don’t recognize that they’ve been in the crosshairs before and very well could be again. But I suppose that’s all fairly distant to them, and they don’t connect that to other targets of conservative hate. Especially since the right took on anti-abortion views and made it mainstream instead of a fringe issue that only Catholics cared about because of some bullshit Agustine wrote.

Yes, because that’s exclusively what soldiers do when on deployments. They literally only shoot children.

I literally just acknowledged that they do things other than shoot children. The problem is, “I don’t just murder children, I also do other stuff” is not any kind of defense whatsoever.

EOT on my end. You’re just shouting naive platitudes from an imagined moral high ground, when in reality you’re just ignorant. No point continuing this thread.

And you’re just blindly licking the boots of your oppressors.

I never said anything even remotely similar to “the military is inherently moral”. Is moral of you to put words in others’ mouths?

Calling any form of military “unethical” is the absolute peak level of clueless wishful thinking.

Right, you only said it was “idiotic” to claim that any military was anything but moral, my mistake, that’s extremely different from saying that the military is inherently moral.

Military in normal countries is used in times of peace to help fighting natural disasters, like floods. I don’t see that as immoral. Do you?

Spend a month helping out with natural disasters, but then you go and murder one bunch of kids and everybody just remembers you as a child-murderer 😔

Or I’d have to support people who actually fight for my interests instead of blindly licking boots and rallying around a flag while dismissing all criticism because “the military is inherently moral.”

Your position can’t withstand even the slightest degree of scrutiny, lol. As expected of a bootlicker.

Hmm, but if I’m conquered by the despot one border over, then I suppose I’d have to start supporting his military, wouldn’t I? After all, I’d be an idiot to not support the only people protecting me my despot from the other despot one border over, right?

There’s no real difference between offense and defense. The more secure my position, the more easily I can attack from it without fear of retribution.

Sorry, I’m not sure I’m familiar with this particular school of moral philosophy. What’s it called? Bootlicking?

“I have information that will lead to the resignation of Majorie Taylor Greene”

That’s true, but it’s also true that this map may be the best shot they have to pick up seats. I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say that a senate map looks good for Democrats. In 2028 they’ll have what, Arizona and North Carolina? Well, and the VP, potentially (and having to replace Fetterman). And in 2030, just Ohio and Pennsylvania? I don’t see any chance of winning Iowa but whether there’s even a remote possibility of them gaining a majority in future elections will depend on whether they can narrow to one or two seats here.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportations-by-ice-10-year-high-in-2024-surpassing-trump-era-peak/

On immigration policy, the survey shows Latinos place a high priority on allowing unauthorized immigrants to stay in the country legally.

Your own source supports my position, lol.

What part of, “Israel is going above and beyond in finding new and exiting war crimes to commit,” reads to you like I’m “literally making the argument for Israel to claim it wasn’t so bad?”

What you said is like saying, “Show me when Imperial Japan did anything as bad as the Holocaust.” Sure, the Holocaust was a special kind of evil that went above and beyond, but Imperial Japan did all sorts of heinous, horrific shit and there is absolutely no reason why we should make favorable comparisons about them. They were even on the same side, much like the US and Israel.

Also how tf is it “whataboutism” when you made the comparison? Completely ridiculous.

I presented four sources to the other person that demonstrate that that’s not true. Even if it were true, their messaging did not reflect it. They presented themselves as border hawks, indisputably, and you are either misinformed or lying if you deny it. I’ve backed my position up with evidence.

Don’t whitewash those wars. Sure, Israel is going above and beyond in finding new and exiting war crimes to commit, but the US wars were also horrendous.

What an incredibly stupid comment. No, they did not campaign on “the opposite of building the wall.” They literally said, we’re the ones actually trying to build the wall, and Trump is blocking us because he’s all talk. You are uniformed about this.

Accusing me of watching Fox News is also laughable. Fox News did not support the Democrats’ narrative that they were border hawks, actually. Their position was always that the Democrats were soft on immigration, which they said was bad.

Senate Republicans block border security bill as they campaign on border chaos - NBC

The Biden Administration says it is using executive power to allow border wall construction in Texas - AP

Deportations by ICE jump to 10 year high in 2024, surpassing Trump-era peak - CBS

Biden pulls from Trump’s immigration playbook in election year twist - CNN

Don’t accuse me of being misinformed when you don’t know shit.

Democrats also campaigned on deporting Hispanics, and even more Hispanics voted for the Democrats. I guess that’s also a really stupid thing to do and should be pointed out to those stupid people?

I’m so sick of people trying to change the way entire demographics of people behave rather than trying to change the way one political party’s leadership behaves. It’s so fucking stupid that y’all waste your time trying to pressure literally millions of people to become unconditional supporters of the Democrats rather than trying to pressure the Democrats to adopt positions that would win them over. Like, however stupid you think it is for Hispanics to only vote for the deporter you like slightly more than the deporter you don’t like, your approach here is like 10x stupider.

One person vs tens of millions of people, but since that one person is a member of the ruling class, we couldn’t possibly criticize her or try to pressure her to change, no, that’s not our place, our place is merely to ensure our peers are loyal to our rulers no matter what.

Also yes Democrats may have claimed some things about republicans, but on the flip side Republicans also claimed constantly that democrats are softies letting every one and their mother in, so it sort of cancels out.

“Why didn’t they just listen to what the Republicans said about us?”

Even with this insane line of logic you’re expecting them to follow, Kamala still won Latinos. Only by a few points, compared to previous elections where the Democrats did not attempt to run to the right of Republicans on immigration, but more of them still voted for her. Just not enough to overcome the votes of white people. If we’re going to point fingers at entire demographics like this, then we ought to blame the people who are actually most responsible, right? But somehow, it’s always minorities who catch the most blame, isn’t it?