Well, it keeps getting worse until some point. But it took like a decade of shitty CDOs of CDOs finally collapsed in 2007.

It got to the point where strippers (and other not so wealthy people) where buying 2 or 3 houses aiming to flip.

Bubbles always bubble longer than expected

And if Trump does the trillions in tax cuts like hes trying to do, then the economy floats longer

overdue

That’s the problem. Bubbles keep growing until they don’t. And there’s no way to know when that will pop. This AI crap has been growing since 2016 AlphaGo or even 2012 IBM Watson.

Trump doesn’t do what he says he will do. Its pretty much random.

The reliable grift, such as anti-immigramt hate and anti-muslim stuff is obviously coming. And as awful as they will be, I’m not convinced that it will have an obvious effect on our economy.

When we start looking at things like Elon’s grift or other Billionaires he’s with, the stock market, crypto coins and other assets will go up. It seems unlikely to me that a crash would necessarily occur at the right timing you desire (this is bad for us in the long term. But the modern corporate economics world has become very good at hiding fraud and kicking cans down the road. Elon especially).

If they can hold most money together and make their supporters money (see Cryptocoin and Tesla stock right now), then they have a winning economic message for their core supporters.

Or do you think anyone actually gives a shit about how middle America will feel from this?

I’m not about conceding the information space.

What I’m saying is that without an allied media that you can actually trust to get the big news out, then people will be wondering about When Did Biden Drop Out again.

What if the economy doesn’t tank?

The President doesn’t have that much control over the economy. That’s a fundamental truth.

There will be awful policies but there’s no guarantee of an economic collapse here.

And to be red, you have to want to take rights away from women and round up the immigrants.

Bwaaahahahaha. No.

To be Red doesn’t mean that. Republicans are just better at logrolling than you Democrats are.

If your allies are stinky racists, you roll up your sleeves and try to be a good Republican and make new arguments for your side that can drown out the racists. Why? Because allies are needed for power, and working with people you disagree with is more important for the cause than tearing down your allies.

Democrats need to become more RealPolitik. They need to be less ideal and more self serving if they hope to win elections in the future.

And you think you can do that when your opponent literally controls the outreach of your messages?

There is a +Elon Musk boost to Elons messages on Twitter. Furthermore, all the pro-Ukrainian posts systematically become NSFW and hidden from the timeline. Even when it is totally safe to view (like cute cat videos being shared by Ukrainian soldiers).

How the fuck do you get your message out on Twitter when Twitter specifically is being used to suppress your message?

Or maybe, being a naive fool is how the left loses elections.

The Republican right explicitly builds media to serve them and tries to use media as a tool for control. And it works.

You can fight against the laws that empower this money system. But if you naively ignore the power structure and reality of today’s media landscape, you WILL BE DOOMED TO LOSE.

If you want to fight against it that’s… Fine. I get it. But you need power first and the current level of power Democrats wield is too low.

We will not win the meme war when Elon Musk can silence our memes and outreach on Twitter through algorithmic manipulation.

It’s just like how Ukrainians keep getting censored on Twitter. It’s simply not a fair fight, the owner and algorithms are literally against you, and you likely have teams of internal Twitter programmers being commanded to tailor make algorithms to fight us.

We need social media we can trust. Lemmy is one of them but is too small. But we are somewhat safe here.

Elon Musk will never let leftist memes rise in popularity in X/Twitter ever again.

And I’m convinced that Gaza/Free Palestine was a TikTok disinformation campaign designed to tear Democrats/leftists apart.

We cannot trust any media. Indeed, we must assume they are working against us.

Building new, mainstream media, that allows our viewpoints to be heard is step#1. Do not rely on Twitter, TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Threads, BlueSky, WashPo, local newspapers, local Sinclair news, LA Times.

We got like, TheAtlantic, The guardian and maybe PBS Frontline. Not exactly a powerful set of media to spread out viewpoints but it’s a start.

Lemmy.world and Mastodon seem like they are okay. But as noncorporate entities they will never be mainstream.

We aren’t getting rid of that in the next 4 years. And I’m a former Republican so I’m not exactly against corporate interests (indeed, corporate interests is where the money and support is).

I’m an anti Trump and as of now, former Republican. This was it for me, it’s clear that Republicans can never defeat MAGA so I’m switching to the Democrats side and gonna see what I can do here.

I get that Democrats are more liberal than me so I’ll accept my place as a minority view. But I’m not against corporate interests. I’m just against the disaster that’s about to happen here in America and now willing to join Democrats to stop it in 2026 and 2028.

Fair point.

Alas I do want a 2nd option aside from Trump. I do have morals after all.

The utter lack of RealPolitik in the Democrats mindset is a sickening level of nativity to me.

Right wing taking over all of traditional media, newspaper media, social media and the left being utterly blind to the media blitz behind the scenes.

No Democrat or leftist was ready to counter message the loss of Washington Post’s endorsement, even though it happened after LA Times loss of endorsement.

DNC as an organization is shit.

I’m talking to Democrats. I’m trying to tell you what your next move should be. The movement and overall organization of the Democrat Party goes above and beyond just its leadership.

I’m talking to you, specifically. First thing we must do is understand why we lost, and that means understanding how Trump won. And the first step there is to stop taking him as a buffoon (even if he is), because there’s a lot of people helping him succeed. We need to think about the whole enemy here, not just Trump but everyone who helped him this year.

And instead of complaining to DNC leadership (who obviously tried everything they could to stop Trump), start thinking about how to defeat MAGA Republicans. Donald Trump is absolutely a shittier candidate than Kamala in every way imaginable. Its not a policy loss here.

This cannot be the message.

The first, and foremost failure, is the Republican party. They are the ones who have chosen Donald Trump to lead. And secondly, they are the ones who built up an organization to turn him into the most powerful political force in America. I salute the Republicans who are still fighting the anti-Trump fight, but the cause is 100% lost. MAGA is now going to be a multi-decade ideology and there’s no way to pull Republicanism out of that trap in any short-term.

That means we need to truly, armor up and organize a fierce resistance. One that can overpower and overtake the MAGA movement. This means seeing MAGA for what it is: a cultural behemoth that commands over 75-million votes today, reliably. They have Elon Musk (Twitter/X). They likely have Zuckerberg (Facebook/Meta/Instagram). They have Washington Post (Jeff Bezos, who has recently replaces the heads with former Murdoch editors). They have LA Times. They have Gannett (and their 200+ regional / local papers). I dare say they own Reddit and likely were running social media interference at the lowest levels (with false stories of hopium. If you were on /r/politics you know what I’m talking about, focusing on shitty stories that Kamala was ahead)

Do you seriously think that all the major newspapers refusing to endorse Kamala Harris was some kind of freak accident? It was a preplanned move to specifically fuck us over. And it worked.

That is the nature of our opposition. They aren’t idiots. They are savvy. They are resourceful. They own the collective media space. And they use their power to get Donald Trump (a shitty man who is easily puppetted with praise), because they want a shadow puppet as their king.

And now that their king is elected, you can see Cryptobros pumping their cryptocoins, Stocks in various media companies flying high, etc. etc. They know they won and they’ll take the W today. But take a good look at America right now. In your depression, as you’re thinking about why Kamala won, you’re missing the real message.

Ask yourself: Why did Donald Trump win. And think about it. The answer is right before you and blazingly far more obvious than any particular action that was within Democrats or Kamala’s control.

Its way more obvious that WashPo was used as a backdoor to get conservative speakers into a liberal space this past year. It was effective, and they only revealed the treachery late in the game.

Democrats 100% need to rethink their media strategy. In fact, I’d dare argue that the media problem is Democrat’s #1 issue above all else. The infighting about 100k-ish votes in Michigan and blame to minorities needs to stop. Lets start thinking about the 10-million votes problem and really what we need to do to recapture / re-energize that.

WashPo is literally run by a former Murdoch executive and is owned by Bezos.

Wake up and smell the 2024. Its not 2014 anymore. Its not “circle jerked by WashPo”, its “WashPo bans endorsements days before the election, timing maximum damage to the Kamala campaign”.

We need to reject elitism: its what drives people away from the DNC.

You’re falling for the fucking trap. The elites are Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, LA Times, and all the other billionaires in charge of internet media, newspapers, and cable.

The “elites” are on one side. And they made their point very evident this past election.

This is a major issue.

X is Elon Musk.

Facebook/Meta/Instagram is Zuckerberg.

Washington Post is Bezos.

LA Times is Patrick Soon-Shiong, a billionaire who is deeply tied into the tech world’s startup culture.

Reddit is … Reddit.

When we are talking about the missing 10-million votes for Kamala, it starts with media. The media wasn’t on our side this time around, and it showed. It was impossible to get Kamala’s messaging out, and Trump’s messaging always got screentime. It wasn’t an accident.

To rebuild means getting solid news sources, solid online / social networks. It was no accident that the Elon Musk loving Cryptobro billionaires in charge of tech-companies, social media, and (now) are so rich that they’ve bought our old News Institutions.

This is where we start rebuilding. Lemmy.world is a small piece of it but it needs to be bigger. We absolutely need an independent location to organize online and counter-program the public.

Ish. I got my complaints but this isn’t the topic for me to get into them.

The message of local organization is 100% needed right now. And is something the anarchist movements are good at, I must admit. I’ll complain about methods later, after Trump. There’s fires to be put out right now.

State and Local governments exist as the mainstream source of organization. We’ve lost the national election, but my local state is stronger than ever.

I’d say that the pockets of anarchists might make more sense in a Red State where you’d have enemies all around you. But if you’re in a Blue State with large scale support, the best support structure you can aim for is just your State Government