Even more wild is they assume there’s going to be a real election.

This is dementia

Don’t catch him slippin’ up

Look what he’s whippin’ up

This is dementia

Look at how we’re livin’ now

Police/ICE be trippin’ now

They just want the money

Those are good ideas, though the court costs of fighting Fed lawsuits might outweigh the amount garnered. And/or the Feds would retaliate by withholding other fed money owed to the state (like it’s already doing in some cases! Like the medicaid money for Minnesota, etc).

Thanks, it’s good to know that it wouldn’t fall on the employee. I looked it up[1] and you’re right – if your employer withheld the money and you can prove it (either via the W2, or by producing your paycheck stubs showing the amounts withheld if there’s no W2), then the Feds will go after the employer, not the employee.

I also learned that if your employer didn’t pay the feds and/or give you or the Feds a W2, then it falls on you to prove they withheld money by showing the IRS your paycheck stubs (or by managing to get that info from the employer), otherwise you will still have to pay the taxes. So the lesson there is to save your paycheck stubs (or electronic copies thereof), especially the last one of the year showing the totals, just in case!

So, back on the topic of States trying to keep that money from going to the Feds, my previous argument would still apply, except that the employers would be held liable by the Feds instead of the individual employees, under current laws (AFAIK!). So if the State passed a law saying the companies have to give that money to them instead of the IRS, the companies would be in a catch-22 situation of Fed law saying Feds get it and State law saying the State gets it. So again, Fed law would supersede the State law and companies would have to give the money to the Feds.

Do you know a way the States could get around that issue? It would be great if they could but I don’t see how.

[1] https://www.taxaudit.com/tax-audit-blog/2025/what-happens-if-my-employer-doesn-t-pay-my-payroll-taxes

See my answer to glitch1985. I meant to put it here but accidentally clicked reply on their post instead.

The federal government will hold the taxpayer responsible for not paying their federal taxes. The employers withholding federal taxes from paychecks and not forwarding that on to the IRS would be committing a federal crime, but the IRS would still demand their tax payment from each taxpayer, just like how it happens if the employer didn’t withhold enough–the taxpayer has to send in a check.

That’s just how the system and law works. Federal law supersedes State law. You pay federal taxes to the federal government under federal tax laws, and the State has no power to say you don’t owe them.

It’s a great idea, but the problem is people file their federal taxes as individuals and pay the IRS directly, so how are the blue states supposed to withhold the money?

Um … boomers and gen-x finished raising their kids a long time ago. Even their kids are done or close to done raising their own kids.

She’s a Repedolican, but I can see why you’re confused because everyone likes to pretend she’s somehow less extreme than the other ones. She’s not, just puts on a little show of “being concerned” about things, but always votes right along with the rest of them.

She knows it gives her the best chance of being re-elected.

Do these people think they’re going live forever? Something twists the minds of everyone who gains power. They become absolutely incapable of giving it up voluntarily.

Yeah, things are going juuuust great for me, uh-huh. I know dark humor doesn’t always go over very well but sometimes I go for it anyway.

Yeah but delaying it until after I die would have been nice.

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More like they can use that law to hold the federal agents accountable because they conspired with the state/local forces. Otherwise they don’t have much ability to hold federal forces accountable at all.

The authorities at the racetrack had a search warrant and criminal warrants to arrest five people, including the track owner, whom they accused of facilitating illegal gambling. But the sweep was much broader. The officers rounded up the entire crowd, some 400 people, zip-tying most adults and many teenagers and forcing just about everyone onto the track, where, according to the suit, they sorted people by perceived immigration status, typically based on skin color. They arrested 105 people for immigration violations.

Community organization of citizens is needed. Some thoughts:

1. Before the elections, they’re going to try and purge eligible voters off the rolls, especially ones they consider likely democratic voters. (Part of what DOGE accomplished was acquiring and collating detailed government records on everyone and ways to query that data for their purposes, like this one). So people who get purged may need help a) finding out in time that they were purged and b) getting re-registered, which could mean help with trips to offices and funds for fees so if needed they can get their birth certificate/marriage license or other required documents.

2. Everyone should vote early if they can. We don’t even know if the Post office can be trusted with mail ballots either, so if you’re in a vote-by-mail state, if possible, take your ballot to the election office ahead of time and hand it in personally. Either way, we need to organize rides to/from the election office for anyone who needs them so as many people as possible can vote early and minimize the number of people having to go to the polls on election day. That way if they do seize ballots from some stations, fewer votes would be lost.

3. Scouts in the areas near the polling places to call in any locations ICE shows up at and monitoring/reporting what they see back to the central group, who could send people there to record them.

4. Then we need ideas how to make sure people can still safely get in to vote if ICE is there, without disrupting anything, if that’s possible. Maybe some civil rights lawyers or ACLU would have advice. In any case, documenting what they do is important. There are laws on how close people are allowed to a polling station but we could have multiple people filming from different angles and of any doors in/out. It would be good if the elections office could have cameras installed inside the locations, at least ones in “swing” districts where feds would be likely to try and interfere.

They’ve got a pretty long to-do list for here before they start looking your way. Keep an eye out for your own home-grown ones though.

The whole point of these people is to manage things.

Let me fix that for you: In a democracy, the whole point of these people is would be to manage things.

There is obviously a fundamental flaw in this system.

Ya think?

Exactly this, and the rest that’s coming, and all the horrors that will be discovered to have happened when/if this ever ends.

Reading the comments, and disregarding that Ventura was just making a point and not seriously suggesting secession, it seems that people are assuming that Minnesota would simply join Canada as a single unit with the current population as it is.

Obviously that’s not what would happen. Canada wouldn’t be getting a 47%-magat population in the deal. First, those people wouldn’t want to secede or go to Canada. They would move to another state before they’d let that happen. Second, Canada wouldn’t just let anyone in just because they were from Minnesota. They’d screen them and decide who to let in. Plus there would be USians from other states trying to move to Minnesota to get in on it. It would be chaotic and messy. Who knows how or if they’d even be able to make it work.

A more likely scenario would be some states seceding, a civil war and major population redistribution, then in the aftermath depending on if the seceding states won independence, maybe a deal with some of them would be made to be annexed by Canada. Or maybe negotiations with certain states would take place during the war regarding future annexation, and Canada might even help them in the war. Who knows.