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The issue is the worst of both sides are the ones defining each other. I won’t deny that I disagree with some of the things being pushed as part of education for young children. But I wouldn’t say that that’s grooming let alone define an entire group of people by that. Its defiantly not good faith.

I think the beautiful part of the internet is if u don’t want to be around a particular person u can block them and they simply disappear. They have a right to speech but nobody has the right to force you to listen.

I don’t think engaging with people emotionally is the correct way to engage especially over a text medium. I think the only real productive discussion that can be had without devolving into a screaming and name calling is rational and logical. I find that emotional arguments and weaponised empathy get deployed on mass instead of rational discussion.

I’m not saying that you should be forced to share a space with such people I simply think that others should not be restricted from having such spaces and engaging freely with people in those spaces.

This is what I’m saying people have been called fascist so long they have become the fascists. Its both sides stripping us of our freedoms and making our lives shit. Its a choice between get fucked or get fucked lite. We are all to distracted fighting a bullshit culture war to realise its just a distraction from the real issues. Funny how the whole culture war thing kicked off just after occupy wall street.

In Australia we have preferential voting so we don’t have a 2 party system. We have the liberals who are centre right, we have labor who are centre left, we have the greens who are communists and we have the nationals who are fascists. The nationals never get any seats, liberal and labor trade places as the government every couple years and the greens get a couple seats. This time the greens lost almost all their seats same as the liberals.

Ahh so what’s it meant to be?

Shifting the goalposts.

I made 2 claims u said I was wrong because my claims where wrong I proved my claims where true. Now ur refusing to provide evidence to support your claims. Engage in good faith. Stop being a hypocrite. Have some honour lest I lose what little respect I used to have for u.

Foss superiority gang

Alright I’ll bite: https://yonkersobserver.com/early-results-show-a-red-shift-across-the-u-s/

Proof almost all the us moved right in the last election.

https://www.statista.com/chart/6852/seats-held-by-far-right-parties-in-europe/

Proof of my Europe claim.

Here’s the important charts for ya

Prove me wrong

If u get banned from somewhere from one instance ur also banned from other instances. Its basically just creating a meta id for user ids.

Prove me wrong.

Yes that’s why its so great

Instances still exist its just that u can log into literally any of them with 1 account. I get instance banned from an instance ur still banned from that instance.

I frequent many forums both digital and physical under a multitude of identities and the only ones who despise free speech are the extreme left. Pretty much everyone likes it. Lemmy is the most echo chambery of all the places I visit.

If your views are so popular how did trump win the election? Why have almost all right wing parties across Europe gotten a larger percentage of the vote? Why did almost every state in the us shift more right in the last election? These are the facts. You are objectively wrong

Tbh I’m not even sure what the right and left wing means or believes anymore.

Both terms have been so utterly corrupted and coopted that they have become meaningless to the point of simply being a term used to other one group by the other.

Well that’s the problem everyone thinks they are exactly the minimum amount of left and that anyone right of them is a facist. If someone is continuously called a fascist Nazi eventually they will listen.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it” - Joseph Goebbels

Australia wasn’t so much on the extreme of Americans but we are getting there. Interestingly both the right wing and the extreme left got fucked in our most recent election. Mind u I’m not happy with the current federal government they are introducing a pre capital gains tax on everyone’s savings.

Because it would solve the whole issue of people deciding what instance to sign up to. It would make the fediverse better than the mainstream “the one account to rule them all”.

U got a github in of or me to take a look? I’ll defiantly look into it sounds interesting.

Ahh I see I’ve never looked into how atproto works might need to look into it and sees if some of its systems can be adapted for Activpub. Thx for the info

Nice straw man.

U see I also believe in equality (of opportunity) if you have the right to spread hate against right wing views then said right wingers should have said right to spread hate against your views.

I’m tolerant of your hate speech and combat it with ration argument. Your not tolerant of my speech and combat it with deletions, bans, and personal attacks. We are not the same.

First I always discuss in good faith its a far more rewarding and enjoyable way to engage with the shared human experience. Second the condescending attitude isn’t particularly pleasant I’m not speaking with you in such a way I ask you have the same respect for me.

Sure that’s a fair definition.

I would argue the paradox of tolerance is widely misunderstood the full quote in which it is based is as follows:

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise." - Karl Popper (The Open Society and Its Enemies 1945)

I think most people ignore the second half of it as its convenient for them to do so.

If you feel discriminated against because people don’t want you around, feel free to vote with your feet.

Ahh yes vote with my feet and leave the fediverse hence why op is asking why the fediverse has stagnated and doesn’t seem to be growing. You have expertly just proven exactly the original point I was trying to make.

Ahh I see what ur saying now. Yeah the actor id is hard as it needs to be an actual dereferenceable uri as actors need an inbox and outbox of activities.

I don’t think u can maintain cross instance actor ids. The only issue I see with having multiple actor ids for the same user is that they will have their content and profile split across multiple instances.

I guess u could have a meta id that dereferences to all ur actor ids?

And here lies my point. A vast majority of people don’t think its hate speech. And a vast majority of people believe free speech supersedes hate speech.

Please define hate speech.

I’ve seen many people defending violence against Jews in the name of Palestine right here on lemmy so I’d say hating Jews is pretty mainstream in the fediverse right now.

I believe the right to free speech grants you the right to express hatred as long as ur not calling for violence u should have the right to say whatever the fuck you want.

That’s a pretty mainstream belief for a lot a people who have been completely ostracised and discriminated against by the fediverse as a whole.

Yeah exactly. But instead of having to implement that auth process in every different fediverse service in however many different languages u simply write it once with an oidc endpoint and all fediverse services can run it as a container in their stack. It makes implementing such auth system a simple config change and updating a docker compose to add a new service.

Go say something against trans and see how the fediverse reacts most instances will hand out an instant instance ban. That’s a pretty mainstream right wing belief but its almost completely censored on the fediverse.

Normal centrist European views huh? I don’t think so their are a lot of right ringers Europe who wouldn’t be allowed to say what they want here. Perhaps that’s what some Americans mean when they say leftist but that’s not what most people mean pretty shit straw man imo.