Summary
Donald Trump and Republican lawmakers are pushing to classify vandalism against Tesla as domestic terrorism.
Trump declared that those damaging Tesla dealerships would face terrorism charges, calling the company “a great American company.”
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene and others urged the FBI and Attorney General to investigate alleged Democrat-linked NGOs behind Tesla attacks, though no evidence was provided.
Greene may have violated House ethics rules by advocating for Tesla while owning its stock.
“We Are All Domestic Terrorists.”
OK, I’m going to commit international terrorism: fuck muskrat! muskdie!
Serious question: Historically, has a fascist movement ever been put down without the use of violence?
It always ends in violence. The kind of person that creates these racist movements simply does not operate with a human mentality. They wake up in the morning and their first conscious thought is to benefit themselves, the second one is hurting others to benefit themselves. They are pure evil.
Spain? Not super familiar with their fascist history.
I think that ended with the death of their fascist leader and then a peaceful transition towards democracy. So it can happen but only if your leader dies and the successor wants to reform the country back to democracy.
Quick history moment:
The US government has always treated politically motivated vandalism as domestic terrorism.
The FBI defined Earth First!, Earth Liberation Front, and similar radical environmental groups as terrorist organizations decades ago, because they spiked trees and burnt subdivisions and SUV dealerships.
The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act makes it an act of terrorism to vandalize a factory farm or animal research lab - even nonviolent protest that “intimidates” employees is illegal.
Some of y’all are acting like burning car dealerships was protected speech before Trump. Come on.
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We are all domestic terrorists
I hate Elon and I don’t even disagree with targeting Tesla. But let’s be real. Mass targeted vandalism and especially arson are clearly forms of violence. The victims of this violence are civilians and the purpose of the violence is to achieve political goals through instilling fear.
Agree with the actions or not, that’s terrorism.
If people started targeting and burning down costcos for being woke/DEI, that would be terrorism for the exact same reason, not because the ideology is different.
People need to stop pussyfooting around the label and accept that words mean certain things. The issue is not whether or not it’s terrorism. The argument should be whether or not the actions are justifiable.
It’s like whinging about whether or not we say “Osama Bin Laden was killed” or if the person who shot him is a “killer” because killing in general is bad/wrong.
Now the government response of categorizing certain people vs others as terrorists matters. What it means for people resisting Trump matters. But those are different arguments.
Buddy. This is pure rage. Terrorism is calculated. And comparing burning a Tesla to Osama Bin Laden is fucking laughable.
I wasn’t comparing Tesla to Osama Bin Laden? I was making an analogy to clarify my point of calling an obvious spade a spade. Terrorism doesn’t have to be calculated, it just has to be politically motivated. I happen to agree with the political motivations and stance of the violence in this case. That doesn’t change what it is.
Those who make peace revolution impossible make violent revolutions inevitable.
JFK 👆
It is bad practice to post links without also providing quotes from the source to support your claim. You are wasting the other person’s time.
It’s George Washington, his entire life is the support to their claim
You know, the founding father who lead the army during the Revolutionary War?
I would venture to say that almost every group and/or sovereign nation’s origin involves war/violence.
I thought a link to a George Washington with the phrase “political violence” was self explanatory.
That is George Washington’s Wikipedia page. It includes his whole life, there is plenty of information in there that is unrelated to politically charged violence. You can at least do your cohorts the courtesy of having a pointed and deliberate discussion. Put in a little effort, it doesn’t hurt.
You’re right. I shouldn’t expect the STEMlord nerds on Lemmy to understand things like subtext
Funny enough, you would probably categorize me as a “STEMlord” if you knew me in person. In general I try to keep these types of communications as straight-forward as possible online. Many non-productive discussions that I have seen online originated from statements meant to impose heavy implication. These kinds of statements are generally taken worse with the lack verbal communication and body language. From what I have seen, it is generally better to give these faceless discussions some effort up front to ensure level footing for both people.
PS: I do believe humanity needs professions outside Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics.
After 9/11 terrorism gained a much more negative connotation I think. Idk fully about what it was like before since I wasn’t alive but in Deep Space Nine you literally have a character who said she was a terrorist and that’s not really seen as like an inherently evil thing like it would be in the current day. I think people understood the nuance back then that sometimes terrorism ends up being justified when you’re fighting for freedom against an oppressor.
Totally agree.
What a bunch of snowflakes. What’s wrong? Are we hurting his feelings? The richest douchebag, who doesn’t know what he’s doing, with his head is so far up his own ass I’m sure he can taste it, doesn’t like being called what he is? 🎻
Fuck him. I have no pity for fascists. 🖕🏾
Bruh…
I emigrated from a country that makes it illegal to criticize leaders
only to end up in a country that is also about to make criticizing leaders illegal.
Just… wow
(from PRC to USA)
Come to UK / Europe. We’ve got universal healthcare and more robust democracy and many centurys long tradition of criticising and mocking our leaders.
Y’all need to invite Canada as a special member
Torching and destroying cars and dealerships isnt the same as some critical speech… The title is just a complete clickbait fabrication…
Oh they’re including the people holding signs.
If someone can’t say that Israel is wiping innocent lives off their homeland in a fashion that can only be described as a genocide without it being deemed illegal and grounds for a criminal offense and/or other punishments, freedom of speech does not exist. It is in no way anti semitism. Israel is a state, not a religion. Long before Israel was paying politicians in the U.S. for their states best interests whether for the good of humanity or not, Jewish people existed, and long after the U.S. and Israel are gone, Judiasm will likely be here. Judiasm isn’t asking them to murder children, politicians are ordering it.
Torching and destroying cars is already illegal. No reason to designate it as domestic terrorism.
If they are considered terrorists, it is easier for MAGA to justify sending them to the concentration camps in Guantanamo or El Salvador.
So be it. Not unexpected when every head up there has a deep-seated persecution complex
Didn’t think they’d abandon Musk this quickly
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
“trump was right about everything”, denial is the first stage of grief. the rest will come in due time don’t worry.
Not being republican is now illegal. Cool cool cool.
I mean they had to find some way to incentivize people to vote for them.
What about Vandalism against other car dealers. That’s also domestic terrorism, right?
This is coming from someone who doesn’t necessarily disagree with burning down Tesla dealerships.
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Define terrorism
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Explain how burning down Tesla dealerships to resist Elon’s political takeover is not terrorism
If you want to define it as a political takeover then it’s legitimate action to protect the state from an unelected and ineligible person conducting a coup. After all words have meaning right?
Well that’s my point, we should be arguing the legitimacy of the action, not whether or not it constitutes terrorism, which it obviously is.
Not american so have limited knowledge, but that’s what the “well armed militia” is supposed to be fore right? To allow the public to protect itself from a corrupt or otherwise dangerous political parties?
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“Republicans do not support the first amendment.”
They also don’t support the USA.
They’re traitors, and you know what they say:
He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.
transl.: if you get caught redhanded commiting crime, just claim it is for patriotism or some shit…
Republicans are something society needs to leave behind in full. They literally don’t stand for anything and are net negative for society.
The destruction of the mainstream conservative media by companies like NewsCorp have yielded great results for right wing authoritarians.
At this point, they clearly aren’t even for corporations or shareholders, given the most recent cascade of economic catastrophes.
This is the only hope for America not to fall, if Trump and Musk also screw the elites too much there will be much more likely a revolution.
