Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I’m disappointed in framework’s answer so far

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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        2 days ago

        Idk, but choosing to not serve people is a good reason to not buy from them, even if you’re not impacted, because they could choose to not serve you or your friends. That said, of the owner doesn’t support gay maffkagy but serves and hires gay people, that’s a different thing entirely.

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      Voting is wielding political power, whether it is with your wallet or anything else.

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          Using your wallet doesn’t have to be political.

          Voting is, by definition, political. It is a common part of several different methods of resolving coordination problems (i.e. politics).

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            No, voting is only political if it’s part of a political process. Everyone in a group voting what kind of pizza to order isn’t political, and it can merely be informative (e.g. the person ordering the pizza could pick something else). Voting is only political when it involves government.

            “Voting with your wallet” a metaphor. It just means changing your shopping habits so a company loses revenue, usually due to a recent change. Maybe it’s a policy you don’t like, or maybe it’s a drop in quality or something. It’s usually not a political act, though it can occasionally impact political policy (e.g. if the boycott is in response to a political change that involves the target company).

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              Everyone in a group voting what kind of pizza to order isn’t political

              Yes, it literally is. That’s what politics is: how we control group behavior.

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                No, politics is specifically concerned with government. Any other use is generally a metaphor for government, like “office politics.” Voting on what food to get for dinner isn’t “politics,” neither is boycotting a store for treating their employees poorly.

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                    You skipped the part that said “government.” If you read the rest of the definitions, they all have to do with politics and power, even if they’re not governments themselves. So think political parties, PACs, etc. Some non-government entities can have enough power to be comparable to that, such as large companies where maneuvering feels like maneuvering in a government.

                    Here are other definitions:

                    All of them are principally about government, or things closely resembling a government. That doesn’t leave room for a small laptop manufacturer or small FOSS project, because they don’t resemble governments. The same goes for patronizing a business or not, that’s not a political act, because we’re not dealing with the types of power associated with politics.