When the other option is Trump (and Project 2025), anyone “uncommitted” at this point is just trying to hold the rest of us (and the world) hostage. Sorry not sorry.
I cannot respect people who refuse to see the bigger picture. Maybe if/when we ever get rid of the electoral college and elect based on the popular vote then they can indulge their moral purity. Until then, I ask that they join the rest of us in the current reality, join us in compromise to solve the immediate crisis at home, and then present their wish list. Because only one option on the ballot is going to make that wish list even possible.
“Oh, well, the Democrats need to work for my vote”. In an ideal world, yes. But the reality is the house is on fire and they’re asking the fire department to tap dance before they let them bring out the hoses.
I’m sympathetic to what’s happening in Palestine, but I am beyond livid that it’s being constantly used as a wedge issue and bargaining chip.
Let’s commit to each other, to electing Vice President Harris and defeating Donald Trump who uses my identity as a Palestinian as a slur.
One of the points this speech makes is that the actual Uncommited Movement supports Harris. Palestinians in this movement do not see Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in the Gaza strip as a wedge issue to make Democrats lose the election.
Anyone who is using the genocide as such a wedge issue against the Democrats is not acting in the interest of the Palestinian people. As Trump has publicly stated his intention to allow Israel’s government to complete their genocide of the Gaza strip. Where as Democrats are actively negotiating for a ceasefire.
The electoral college is exactly why this is such an important issue. There are a lot of Uncommitted voters in the battleground states. If you’re really that dedicated to winning and stopping Project 2025, appealing to those voters is critical.
Whatever you wish they’d do, it’s their vote, they can see bigger pictures or “smaller pictures” (a.k.a., their family being murdered with US bombs). If this is a crisis, you should be trying to help resolve the smaller pictures of your fellow Democrats so we can all move together on the “bigger picture”. Instead you just want to berate them to act how you’d like and say “we’ll deal with your family later” (if they’re still alive). It’s not a “wish list”, it’s actual people dying. Your priorities are scary but hypothetical. Theirs are happening right now.
Alternately, if you just want to bitch on message boards, then stop pretending like you really care about the crisis of the election, because actually caring is not compatible with “sorry not sorry” (about your dead family).
What pisses me off the most about that is the game of make-believe about Palestine that the wedgies (I think I’ll call them that from now on) try to play.
It is 100% understandable and reasonable to be pissed about Israel’s treatment of Palestine. It is not OK to pretend it happened for no reason.
The fact of the matter is that the whole situation is an atrocious mess with horrid, horrific behavior by absolute monsters on all sides. To downplay any of it, whether the horrific response by Israel to being attacked, or the horrific attack itself, is to do any serious attempt to address it and cut through the Gordian knot of Middle East problems a disservice.
I’ve maintained, and continue to maintain, that there’s currently no right answer. If Israel collapses, that will be a nightmare the likes of which we haven’t seen in a century, so we have to ensure it can defend itself by supplying it weapons. Netanyahu is a madman who wants to commit genocide against the Palestinians and is desperate to hold onto power to avoid prison, so we have to stop supplying Israel with weapons.
See that? Both statements are defensible. Both statements have at least an element of truth. It’s fucking complicated. And I don’t have the answer.
But you know what I’m 100% certain we shouldn’t do? Let Donald fucking Trump get into office to truly fuck things up even more.
It is 100% understandable and reasonable to be pissed about Israel’s treatment of Palestine. It is not OK to pretend it happened for no reason.
Almost nothing happens without reason. That doesn’t make the reason an excuse or justify the response. Nothing Hamas did justifies the war Israel has waged. This is like making sure no one forgets that an abuse victim hit their abuser first.
I’ve maintained, and continue to maintain, that there’s currently no right answer. If Israel collapses…
This isn’t something that’s a possible consequence of stopping their war, so why bring it up unless to try to introduce a false dilemma? This isn’t a Gordian knot and we don’t need to solve the Middle East. We simply need to stop a genocide being perpetrated with our support and weapons, with the solution you’ve already acknowledged: “stop supplying them with weapons”.
But you know what I’m 100% certain we shouldn’t do? Let Donald fucking Trump get into office to truly fuck things up even more.
I 100% agree. Anyone at this stage not committed to electing Kamala Harris and defeating Donald Trump is not acting in the interest of anyone except the fascists, that includes Donald Trump, in the short term. In the long term, everyone being dead to genocide and climate change benefits no one.
It’s fucking complicated. And I don’t have the answer.
In the short term, when it comes to the Gaza war, a ceasefire is the solution. The long term solution is the US recognizing Palestine as a nation state and not allowing Israel to be an exception to international law. Achieving this is easier said than done, but it is straightforward.
If Israel collapses, that will be a nightmare the likes of which we haven’t seen in a century, so we have to ensure it can defend itself by supplying it weapons. Netanyahu is a madman who wants to commit genocide against the Palestinians and is desperate to hold onto power to avoid prison
Israel’s current government can collapse in the next election after a ceasefire. This would allow Israel to change course without needing it to be destroyed like Nazi Germany. That assumes of course that the far right coalition that is currently in power doesn’t go completely mask off fascist to their own population and seize power by force.
When the other option is Trump (and Project 2025), anyone “uncommitted” at this point is just trying to hold the rest of us (and the world) hostage. Sorry not sorry.
I cannot respect people who refuse to see the bigger picture. Maybe if/when we ever get rid of the electoral college and elect based on the popular vote then they can indulge their moral purity. Until then, I ask that they join the rest of us in the current reality, join us in compromise to solve the immediate crisis at home, and then present their wish list. Because only one option on the ballot is going to make that wish list even possible.
“Oh, well, the Democrats need to work for my vote”. In an ideal world, yes. But the reality is the house is on fire and they’re asking the fire department to tap dance before they let them bring out the hoses.
I’m sympathetic to what’s happening in Palestine, but I am beyond livid that it’s being constantly used as a wedge issue and bargaining chip.
One of the points this speech makes is that the actual Uncommited Movement supports Harris. Palestinians in this movement do not see Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in the Gaza strip as a wedge issue to make Democrats lose the election.
Anyone who is using the genocide as such a wedge issue against the Democrats is not acting in the interest of the Palestinian people. As Trump has publicly stated his intention to allow Israel’s government to complete their genocide of the Gaza strip. Where as Democrats are actively negotiating for a ceasefire.
The electoral college is exactly why this is such an important issue. There are a lot of Uncommitted voters in the battleground states. If you’re really that dedicated to winning and stopping Project 2025, appealing to those voters is critical.
Whatever you wish they’d do, it’s their vote, they can see bigger pictures or “smaller pictures” (a.k.a., their family being murdered with US bombs). If this is a crisis, you should be trying to help resolve the smaller pictures of your fellow Democrats so we can all move together on the “bigger picture”. Instead you just want to berate them to act how you’d like and say “we’ll deal with your family later” (if they’re still alive). It’s not a “wish list”, it’s actual people dying. Your priorities are scary but hypothetical. Theirs are happening right now.
Alternately, if you just want to bitch on message boards, then stop pretending like you really care about the crisis of the election, because actually caring is not compatible with “sorry not sorry” (about your dead family).
What pisses me off the most about that is the game of make-believe about Palestine that the wedgies (I think I’ll call them that from now on) try to play.
It is 100% understandable and reasonable to be pissed about Israel’s treatment of Palestine. It is not OK to pretend it happened for no reason.
The fact of the matter is that the whole situation is an atrocious mess with horrid, horrific behavior by absolute monsters on all sides. To downplay any of it, whether the horrific response by Israel to being attacked, or the horrific attack itself, is to do any serious attempt to address it and cut through the Gordian knot of Middle East problems a disservice.
I’ve maintained, and continue to maintain, that there’s currently no right answer. If Israel collapses, that will be a nightmare the likes of which we haven’t seen in a century, so we have to ensure it can defend itself by supplying it weapons. Netanyahu is a madman who wants to commit genocide against the Palestinians and is desperate to hold onto power to avoid prison, so we have to stop supplying Israel with weapons.
See that? Both statements are defensible. Both statements have at least an element of truth. It’s fucking complicated. And I don’t have the answer.
But you know what I’m 100% certain we shouldn’t do? Let Donald fucking Trump get into office to truly fuck things up even more.
Almost nothing happens without reason. That doesn’t make the reason an excuse or justify the response. Nothing Hamas did justifies the war Israel has waged. This is like making sure no one forgets that an abuse victim hit their abuser first.
This isn’t something that’s a possible consequence of stopping their war, so why bring it up unless to try to introduce a false dilemma? This isn’t a Gordian knot and we don’t need to solve the Middle East. We simply need to stop a genocide being perpetrated with our support and weapons, with the solution you’ve already acknowledged: “stop supplying them with weapons”.
I 100% agree. Anyone at this stage not committed to electing Kamala Harris and defeating Donald Trump is not acting in the interest of anyone except the fascists, that includes Donald Trump, in the short term. In the long term, everyone being dead to genocide and climate change benefits no one.
In the short term, when it comes to the Gaza war, a ceasefire is the solution. The long term solution is the US recognizing Palestine as a nation state and not allowing Israel to be an exception to international law. Achieving this is easier said than done, but it is straightforward.
Israel’s current government can collapse in the next election after a ceasefire. This would allow Israel to change course without needing it to be destroyed like Nazi Germany. That assumes of course that the far right coalition that is currently in power doesn’t go completely mask off fascist to their own population and seize power by force.
Yes.
edit: typo