I mean Seinfeld was fucking huge. It’s hard to overstate how big a hit it was in its time. And he was co-creator, the lead role, and obv his name is the name of the show. How could you not see people putting him up as one of the greats?
I’m not personally the biggest fan of his particular style of comedy, and you can certainly find issue with his personality and behavior over the years, but the man knows how joke structure works. He’s an expert in his craft. And you may not think he’s as good as some of his contemporaries, but there’s no denying he’s more of a household name than most if not all of them.
Seinfeld, the show, was remarkable and set a number of expectations that shows today must hit to be even partially successful. It was remarkable. So many modern tropes and memes are directly traced back to Seinfeld.
Jerry Seinfeld, the comedian, was not exceptional in the grand scheme. He is a decent comedian, but without the show, he wouldn’t be referred to nearly as much as he is.
There’s a difference between the two, and I think a lot of the disagreements are with people equating these two as if they’re the same.
I know how big Seinfeld was, I was around, lol. Him getting that show and being a household name isn’t exactly a reflection of talent. There are other factors and circumstances that also contribute to that. I also don’t disagree that the man has an understanding of comedy/joke telling. I just feel that, overall, he is very overrated, and he is long past the point that his opinions should be considered relevant or listened to.
Won’t disagree with you there, I was just explaining why he’s put on such a pedestal. It’s not uncommon for the most well known people in an art to not be the absolute most talented people doing it; unfortunately talent alone almost never brings people success.
Him getting and making that show is unequivocally a reflection of talent. 9 seasons of constant one of the top five most watched sitcoms with no bad seasons. You’re an idiot if you don’t think that takes loads talent.
I mean Seinfeld was fucking huge. It’s hard to overstate how big a hit it was in its time. And he was co-creator, the lead role, and obv his name is the name of the show. How could you not see people putting him up as one of the greats?
I’m not personally the biggest fan of his particular style of comedy, and you can certainly find issue with his personality and behavior over the years, but the man knows how joke structure works. He’s an expert in his craft. And you may not think he’s as good as some of his contemporaries, but there’s no denying he’s more of a household name than most if not all of them.
Seinfeld, the show, was remarkable and set a number of expectations that shows today must hit to be even partially successful. It was remarkable. So many modern tropes and memes are directly traced back to Seinfeld.
Jerry Seinfeld, the comedian, was not exceptional in the grand scheme. He is a decent comedian, but without the show, he wouldn’t be referred to nearly as much as he is.
There’s a difference between the two, and I think a lot of the disagreements are with people equating these two as if they’re the same.
I know how big Seinfeld was, I was around, lol. Him getting that show and being a household name isn’t exactly a reflection of talent. There are other factors and circumstances that also contribute to that. I also don’t disagree that the man has an understanding of comedy/joke telling. I just feel that, overall, he is very overrated, and he is long past the point that his opinions should be considered relevant or listened to.
Won’t disagree with you there, I was just explaining why he’s put on such a pedestal. It’s not uncommon for the most well known people in an art to not be the absolute most talented people doing it; unfortunately talent alone almost never brings people success.
Him getting and making that show is unequivocally a reflection of talent. 9 seasons of constant one of the top five most watched sitcoms with no bad seasons. You’re an idiot if you don’t think that takes loads talent.