Authorities in Ontario, Canada claimed to have found more than 80 Tesla vehicles vandalized in a showroom, later marking the incident the the largest vandalism instance in Canada against a US-based car dealership

Summary

Donald Trump threatened to send American citizens convicted of vandalizing Tesla vehicles to El Salvador’s infamous Terrorism Confinement Center, labeling the vandals as “sick terrorist thugs” deserving 20-year sentences.

This statement followed a major vandalism incident in Ontario, Canada, where around 80 Tesla cars were damaged.

Trump’s comments coincide with controversy over his use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport migrants, halted by a court order.

The White House defended the deportation despite legal challenges, denying any violation of the court’s injunction.

  • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
    85·
    3 months ago

    If you were waiting until it got to actual concentration camps before you were willing to call this fascism, well, here you go.

      • Ciderpunk@lemmy.world
        38·
        3 months ago

        The majority of the Nazis camps were not in Germany, so this is still “going by the book” as it were.

        • gdog05@lemmy.world
          16·
          3 months ago

          Yeah, I also should have used “sparkling authoritarianism” it would have been funnier and more contextual.

  • BigMacHole@lemm.ee
    131·
    3 months ago

    I’m a Jesus Loving Family Values Republican and I have NO PROBLEM with him Sending my Wife and Children to a Terrorism Camp in EL SALVADOR!

  • Wilco@lemm.eeEnglish
    11·
    3 months ago

    Newsflash: He can’t do it. The Supreme Court would have to block it. If he does it to Tesla vandals then he can do it to anyone … including Supreme Court judges. The SC judges are not that stupid … anymore. It seems like one or two of them have spit Trumps balls out of their mouth.

  • Tempus Fugit@midwest.socialEnglish
    1115·
    3 months ago

    I’m pessimistic about a lot of what people say Trump can’t do, but he definitely can’t do this one.

    Edit: that’s enough of this community. Y’all are way worse than even the politics and tanky subs on Reddit. Jesus, y’all need some help. Count me as another ally you threw away because you can’t see past your own ignorance.

    • ceenote@lemmy.world
      29·
      3 months ago

      I want to agree with you, but why can’t he? The courts aren’t saying, “You can send these people to El Salvador because immigrants have fewer rights.” The courts are saying, “They have rights, you can’t send them there,” and his admin is ignoring them. What’s to stop an attempt to deport citizens?

      I don’t want to be blackpilled, but public backlash hasn’t amounted to enough. Hopefully a greater public backlash will matter, but it seems like people don’t recognize how dire the situation really is.

      • FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world
        55·
        3 months ago

        Theoretically, the citizens of the US would stop him from doing that. It’s such an obvious an egregious violation of rights that (again, in theory) he would lose a lot of support over it and we’d potentially face riots and massive protests. This is probably what Trump wants though, so he and Musk have a reason to implement martial law and really take the mask off

        • MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22·
          3 months ago

          he would lose a lot of support over it

          I honestly don’t think he would. Conservatives have proven themselves to be absolutely craven maniacs time and time again. He’s NEVER lost their support.

        • Nightwingdragon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          3 months ago

          Theoretically, the citizens of the US would stop him from doing that.

          There’s your problem. Have you not been paying attention lately? Half the citizens want this. Even among those that don’t, there’s no appetite for violent protests.

          • ceenote@lemmy.world
            1·
            3 months ago

            Sure, there will always be some number of people who support whatever evil shit he does, but it’s nowhere near half. Hopefully, the things he’s doing will activate people who normally tune out, because this is getting very serious, along with the people who did support him but are getting disillusioned. As ridiculous as it seems, their presence at town halls shows that, for some reason, a lot of people trusted him not to do this shit when they voted for him.

        • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          54·
          3 months ago

          It’s such an obvious an egregious violation of rights that (again, in theory) he would lose a lot of support over it and we’d potentially face riots and massive protests.

          Lol do you live in USA? It’s literally a fascist state. There will be no riots or massive protests except maybe in support of genocide, etc.

          • FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world
            42·
            3 months ago

            I said “in theory,” several times. You even quoted me saying it.

            Yes I live in the US. I’m not predicting anything. I was answering the question that was asked, sorry if I triggered your hate boner.

    • meco03211@lemmy.world
      13·
      3 months ago

      Pretty sure he’s already shipped legal green card holders already. At the very least it just takes a clerical error to label a citizen incorrectly to accomplish the same thing. And that was even in the face of a court order explicitly telling him not to do that. He just ignored it.

      • VanillaFrosty@lemmy.world
        7·
        3 months ago

        They’ve circumvented due process. Even if you are a US citizen, when do you get a chance to prove it?

        Hint: you don’t

    • floofloof@lemmy.ca
      9·
      3 months ago

      He can. They’re basically just kidnapping people and whisking them out of the country before they have time to get legal representation or take it to court. And if a court does manage to rule that the deportations are illegal, Trump’s forces ignore it and deport the people anyway. The only way to stop it is to physically obstruct the deportations, but who is doing that?

      Trump has already started ignoring the courts. The rule of law no longer applies in the USA.

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
      71·
      3 months ago

      Game it out.

      Say he does this.

      Say someone sues. Say they rule against Trump. Say it’s appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court, eventually, and say they actually take the case and rule against him in, at best, a narrow 5-4 ruling.

      That’s pretty unlikely. And the defendant will have been in prison a long time, already. And he could just bring them back without much fanfare, as this is a hundred controversies back.

      And say he defies the order, especially if the Supreme Court refuses to take it… Then what? Is congress going to harass him for a immigration case? That is political suicide, and the congresspeople would be at real risk of physical retribution too.

      This is what populist, fascist dictatorships do. They can’t get away with everything, but they constantly push the envelope and game the systems, hence the orders he is already starting to push.

      Obama, Biden, Bush, even Trump on 2016 couldn’t do this because the political support from a base wasn’t there, but now it is.

      • NotLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
        9·
        3 months ago

        How will they sue when they have no access to a lawyer, they’ve been picked up off the street, held in black sites incommunicado and then sent to these slave labour camps, never having gone near to a lawyer, a phone or a court?

        The people being sent there now have not been convicted of a crime. I wouldnt even be confident that the people sending them into lifetime slavery know who they are. There could already be US citizens kidnapped into slavery for all anyone knows.

    • VanillaFrosty@lemmy.world
      5·
      3 months ago

      He literally already did. Legal US residents were shipped off to a concentration camp with no trial or due process. This is despite a judge ruling that he “can’t.”

      He can. He did. He will again if we let him.

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    39·
    3 months ago

    I kinda want to dare them to deport me, a relatively well off white heterosexual male multi-gen native born US citizen, just so I have the pleasure of suing the ever loving fuck out of the government on as many fronts as are legally feasible. Every single minute infraction committed will be a knock-down, drag-out affair.

    • Nightwingdragon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      3 months ago

      I kinda want to dare them to deport me, a relatively well off white heterosexual male multi-gen native born US citizen, just so I have the pleasure of suing the ever loving fuck out of the government on as many fronts as are legally feasible. Every single minute infraction committed will be a knock-down, drag-out affair.

      FIrst, the tough guy act impresses nobody. How well do you think you’re going to do as a white boy that doesn’t speak Spanish in a prison cell with 79 Venezuelan and El Salvadoran gang members? You’ll be lucky if you survive the week.

      Second, you’ll never have a chance to sue. Trump isn’t giving that option. He is arresting these people and deporting them to El Salvador before he even figures out who the hell they are. We can’t even confirm they are even documenting who is being sent there. They could just be picking random people who look brown enough or who have the “wrong” tattoos, throwing them on a plane, and shipping them off. There’s no court case involved. You’ll be sitting in a cell, in El Salvador, 23.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. Forever. With no access to communication. No access to family visits. No access to a lawyer. How the fuck you gonna sue? You’ll be lucky if you ever even talk to someone who speaks English again.

      Maybe your family can sue on your behalf, if they even know where you are or what happened to you. Good luck with that. Maybe, Maybe if you’re lucky, you’ll be the .0000001% of cases the SC actually hears. After years of legal wrangling (where you’ll be sitting in that cell the entire time for), the Supreme Court may very well issue a ruling for Donald Trump to completely ignore.

      And the US courts have no jurisdiction over El Salvador’s prisons. A US court demand for the release would just be met with being told to fuck right off.

    • elbucho@lemmy.world
      English
      6·
      3 months ago

      I don’t think you fully grasp the situation. You still seem to think that there are consequences for Trump when he breaks the law, and that the legal system in the US is still in-tact enough to grant you not only your freedom, but some compensation for your rights being trampled.

      Yes, it is outrageously illegal for him to abduct Americans and send them to a black site on foreign soil with no due process. But he spent his entire last term positioning himself to be able to do and get away with outrageously illegal things this time around. He controls the department of justice and the supreme court. The supreme court has already given him an incredibly wide blanket for presidential immunity.

      You might think “well, that’s ok - as soon as the story gets out, people will be rioting in the streets!”, but you have to remember that “independent media” is a thing that doesn’t really exist anymore. All of the major news sources in print and on television are owned by a small handful of billionaires, and he is very good at keeping billionaires on side. Any information that gets out there will be downplayed immediately, and the news will be forgotten in a couple of days to be replaced by the latest shocking celebrity news or the latest atrocity Trump has committed.

      You probably would get out eventually (provided you don’t get sick and die or get beat to death by the guards or shanked or something), but you would be far, far worse off for the experience. The dream of vindication you’d get for sticking it to Trump would vanish like mist in the sun and you’d be left with the heart-wrenching reality that the life you had previously known is over, and you are at the mercy of the barbarians now.

    • BreadAndThread@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 months ago

      Dude, these people are being disappeared. That means they’re gone. Good luck ever seeing them again. Even as a white guy, you would suffer untold horrors we can’t comprehend.

      Anecdotally, I was a wild youngin decades ago and went to county jail for two weeks. Even jail was horrible, and they treat you like you’re subhuman. It’s freezing all the time, the showers are kept purposely boiling hot, and the food is inedible as it’s pure sugar garbage. The loser guards finally have a leg up on other people and make sure they get their payback for their shitty lives. You poop and pee in public. As a woman, they literally limited the pads you could use, so I just bled through.

      Now imagine you remove all those luxuries I just complained about, and you’ve got this type of prison.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    415·
    3 months ago

    I’m so glad that genocide joe spent his whole term fighting to make sure this never happens.

    jk lol. He just did genocide.