Man. FUCK the nyt.
The comments section is closed with a pinned request of the author shocked he got backlash.
I wish I could follow up with this guy.
NYT? is that the same NYT that was telling Democrats for decades that the only reason they aren’t winning is because they aren’t Republican enough?
OK, gift article, you have my attention…
…nah, it’s just more of the same
edit: I was listening to a Cory Doctorow interview yesterday and he had some very interesting things to say and I was reminded of this article again. Talk was long, interesting and meandering, but this was one of the things that reminded me
The moment I saw it was NYT, my eyebrows were raised.
And yep. It’s the same BS.
Thank you for the TL:DR flavor text.
Oligarchy destroyed the social contract and forced nihilism amongst the youth. It’s why the entire world is tilting authoritarian. Democrats need to pivot hard into proper wealth taxation otherwise things will only devolve further. It’s a moral imperative at this point.
Wealth taxation may be an important men’s to an end, but in our discourse we need to emphasize more what benefits would be planned for the tax revenue.
Reducing the wealth of greedy assholes is nice, but by itself only gets so far.
Americans need to learn to differentiate between the vehicle and the driver. The democratic party will not affect change until the vast majority of it’s sitting members are primaried.
No need to fix an election when the rich own all the horses in the race.
It would be nice if people under 50 showed up to the primary. Most incumbent wins are just old people using name recognition to “not rock the boat”.
Sorry, everybody under 50 has to work at the capitalism on Tuesdays.
We’re technically ‘allowed to leave’, but will fall behind on rent immediately. All three sick days have been used up.
🔫 always has been
-
NYT “Eat the Rich Populism”: Angrily posting memes at a few select right-wing billionaires and a bunch of foreigners, particularly in China
-
Actual “Eat the Rich Populism”: Nationalizing critical infrastructure that’s being horded by the billionaire class in the aggregate
Nationalizing? I hope you mean socializing
Easy. We nationalize the government too. That way it owns itself, and we own the government. No more billionaires in politics.
Pull up the societal ladders that allow people to become billionaires in the first place. Transferring a nations wealth from 5 pairs of hands to 10 pairs of hands once a generation is not a realistic long term governance
-
Democrats have been discussing strategy since their loss in November. They’ve come up with use populist rhetoric for elections but stick to neoliberal policy.
After FDR the establishment has done everything possible to prevent this.
Oh is it finally time to eat?
Democrats are the crisis that they manufactured
IMO people need to rally behind new progressive candidates and primary more than 50% of the sitting party in 2026. About 75% of the party are incompetent at best and complicit at worst.
People need to look past the individual members of the progressive caucus like AOC and realize the monumental organization it took to get her elected.
Republicans fix elections. Democrats fix primaries.
It’s a little beside the point, but:
75% of the party are incompetent at best and complicit at worst.
Compared to Republicans, where the number is practically 100%.
Progressives would naturally do better in elections if they didn’t have 2 parties spending billions of dollars to keep them out of power.
Progressives need to fully commit to grass roots electoral organization.
Republicans fix elections, democrats fix primaries.
All Americans need to commit to grass roots elections and candidates. We gave away our political responsibilities for convenience
Same thing here. There was a brief period where I thought I could just worry about my own affairs, get a little informed, then vote once in a while — trusting there were adults in charge of the boring business of government, with our collective best interests in mind — well, fuck me for assuming those that seek power would know how to use it responsibly, because now I’ve got to get involved in my local politics and activism just to be a good citizen Ig. But God damn do I wish I could just focus on handling my own personal shit, because that is hard enough on its own, let me tell you…
Progressives need messaging and a concise platform. ‘Fix housing, healthcare, inflation, immigration, monopolies, LGBT rights, income inequality, unemployment, gerrymandering, climate, education…’ Everyone who’s even capable of listening past 4 objectives knows they’re not all going to happen and assumes that means they’re all bullshit.
I’ve really been liking “Tax wealth not work” but I’ll take anything stronger than “return to normalcy.”
I’ll take anything stronger than “return to normalcy.”
You mean the normalcy that allowed Trump1.0 to happen in the first place, and allowed Trump2.0 to grab and pervert as much power as he has now? I fully agree, there is a larger lesson to be learned from all this than “phew, thankfully the Democrats won this time, and Trump can’t run again”. There are systemic problems behind all this.
The problem is that Progressives are about… progress. And we all have our own priorities.
If you make the entire platform “Trans rights” then you are going to have women and “minorities” wondering why you are abandoning them and so many others wondering about economic support and so forth.
Don’t believe me? Look at how many dumbfucks proudly turned the 2024 Presidential election into a single issue election where, somehow, they still decided that Biden (Kamala who?) would be worse than trump when it comes to Palestine. EVERYTHING else was ignored.
Whereas chuds just want to hurt people. And while they might prefer their bogeyman get hurt more, they can still be happy to know that at least THOSE people are getting hurt.
The problem isn’t focusing on one issue. The problem is that periodically, performative centrists will seek to prove their centrism by performatively sacrificing a minority group on the pyre.
Democrats are a coalition party. They can’t afford to sacrifice a chunk of their base in a vain attempt to appeal to suburban white Republicans. Democrats need to keep their coalition together, which is far more diverse than the Republican coalition that mostly caters to straight white Christians.
Democrats from time to time are tempted to pick one or two of the minority groups in their coalition to throw into a woodchipper. The thought process is that if they just sacrifice the one group the right is screaming the loudest about, that somehow they can get Republicans to vote Democrat. It never works, but it plays to the biases of the Democratic leadership, who themselves are largely straight white Christians.
2024 wasn’t about Palestinian activists demanding the entire campaign be made about them. What happened in 2024 was that Democrats decided that it was the Palestinian-Americans turn to be thrown onto the pyre, a ritual sacrifice to attempt to win straight white Christian votes. The leadership made the calculus that by sacrificing Palestinian Americans, they would gain more votes than they would lose. Muslim Americans would inevitably refuse to support Democrats for abandoning them, but Democrats would gain more Republican and Zionist voters in return. The DNC didn’t want Palestinians and their allies to vote for them; they wanted Republicans to vote for them.
That calculus didn’t work. The Palestinians had a lot more friends than the DNC gambled when they decided to sacrifice them. And it cost the Democrats the election.
Ultimately, what side would be best for Palestine is completely irrelevant. This was an active conscious choice on the part of DNC leadership. They actively chose to abandon Palestinians and their allies. They did so knowing full well it would cost them a ton of votes. They just gambled that they would win more bigot votes in return. That gamble failed, and then they turned around and blamed the loss on the people they fully expected to not vote for them, entirely due to their own conscious choices and actions.
Not even the DNC are stupid enough to expect the votes of people they deliberately choose to sacrifice. But, apparently that bar isn’t one you’re able to clear.
Ultimately, what side would be best for Palestine is completely irrelevant
And that about sums everything up and why “just focus on one issue” would never work.
Democrats don’t mind fascism as long as they are the ones doing it. If someones red lines isnt letting brown people around the world get killed I don’t care what else they support, they are protecting THEIR self interests over the lives of others and can’t be trusted when they call themselves allies to the marginalized.
Focusing on the platform just unilaterally raises the bar for people voting democrat. As you’ve identified, many people do not have the attention span for all of that.
Plus it is not mutually exclusive that the democratic party is both part of the problem and the only viable vehicle to platform solutions. In fact, that is one of the messages the GOP has used quite successfully. “Drain the swamp.”
If you have not watched the documentary I linked above than I must politely suggest to you that you may not be aware of all the underhanded systematic tactics employed against progressive candidates. People are missing the forest for the trees when it comes to democracy. No need to fix elections when the rich own 95% of the horses in the race.
We just need to agree to abandon the two party system. We’re supposed to be sending members of our communities to Congress, not members of a party
Ranked choice and/or proportional representation needs to happen before a third party can work.
I from Maine, we have ranked choice voting and we have sent an independent to the senate for the last 30 years. You can do it too! Anyone can really. You just ignore the donor class candidates and vote for the person not on TV 50 times a day! A lot of you do need to work on your local elections laws, great place to start fighting.
That’s as true as it is easier said than done.
It’s really not, there’s like 10 dudes running for those positions who will never get 1,000 tv ads, but you can still vote for them and use social media to advocate.
Respectfully… you are 10000000000th person to suggest this; and it still hasn’t happened yet.
You’re not wrong.
It’s just easier said than done!
It only gets harder as all the public resources around information, education, and activism are high jacked by the two party system. Citizens initiatives are never easy, but we don’t have any notable ones right now. Would be a good time to get some. Dissatisfaction with both parties is at all time highs, it wouldn’t be hard to get some simple yet strong legislation pushed through at that level.
Reform will never work, anyone challenging the current system will never be given any committees or positions of power within the party that threaten the existence the status quo
Reform will never work
Behold! The rallying cry of people who’ve tried nothing and are out of ideas.
Y’all are unironically the leftist equivalent of MAGA’s Meal Team 6.
How well is repeating the same fuck ups over the last 50 years working out for ya?
Quite well. Not that I’d expect someone who can’t wrap their heads around American politics to understand Canadian civics.
Nyt still doesn’t get it.
NYT Opinion column again
you need to stop using phrases like that, it’s going to be turned around on you like defund the police
Message: Defund the police!
Your response: stop using that phrase. It’s not specific enough and too easily weaponized by the right.
Message: reallocate police funding to mental health response teams. Transfer duties from the police to medical professionals.
Your response: the left sucks at messaging. We need powerful slogans that capture the imagination, not wonkish policy positions.
don’t ascribe fictional quotes to me, buddy
If they were quotes they would have quotation marks…
Nah it’s a pretty clean message, we are going to consume all of their resources, and put up walls so high they can never accumulate that much again. Like God crumbling the tower of Babel.
Also, whoever shot and murdered a healthcare CEO in cold blood last year got more praise from the general public than basically anything the Democratic party has done in the last ten years, so yeah, that comment seems pretty out of touch with public sentiment
Bipartisan support too 🤣🫡
Mark my words, it will be turned around as an example of “leftist blood thirst”
That will happen anyway, because it a core component of fascism. It does not matter what is said, it will be abused by the fascists.
The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies. … However, the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.
Did you ever think they probably should be scared at this point? Fear is a great way to regulate behavior without the need for action. The fascist taught me that.
They’ll do that no matter what, so we may as well do the right thing in the meantime.
I’m someone they consider a leftist even tho I’m really a classical liberal with libertarian biases and guns. I do want to Tale of Two Cities them. They are correct, and I’m not even hungry yet. Just disenfranchised.
I’d probably eat the rich literally if it produced the right reaction: have a Martha Stewart style cooking show all about it: it would get great ratings!
