• Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOP
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        It’s funny how they consider they had massive impact until there are consequences to their actions. Then, it wasn’t much.

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          I don’t think anyone sincerely believed that protest voters were ever going to have a significant impact. I think all of the noise you heard was astroturf designed to knock Harris from both sides of the Israel political position.

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          It’s funny how they were too insignificant to listen to but aren’t too insignificant to blame.

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        While ignoring that for most people, their purchasing power also went up.

        They want to pay pre-pandemic prices for food while making post-pandemic paychecks, and there’s no way that’s going to happen without guillotines. So instead they voted in the wealthy assholes who directly caused COVID and indirectly caused inflation/greedflation because surely those people won’t do that again, right?

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          I do not think he changed his stance, but I’m not sure how it’s relevant to the election.

          The number of pro Palestinian people was a statistical blip outside of Michigan and certainly did not change the election.

          I really hope the Dems reflect on why AOC was re elected in a district that swung heavily towards Trump instead of doubling down on their clear and tangible resentment of working class people.

          Mike Huckabee is detestable, but that doesn’t make the current policies better. When it comes to genocide, splitting hairs misses the point.

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            I do not think he changed his stance, but I’m not sure how it’s relevant

            Lol

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              glad you can laugh at the genocide happening with your tax dollars right now.

              I’d be happy to know what the difference is. Some meaningless red lines that never lead to sanctions?

              They already depopulated North Gaza and the West Bank under Biden’s watch. That literally already happened.

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            18 days ago

            I’m really sick and tired of head-in-the-sand liberals pushing us over the cliff to fascism and then having the utter fucking gall to try to gaslight us that it’s our fault, not theirs.

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              I’m really sick and tired of head-in-the-sand liberals pushing us over the cliff to fascism and then having the utter fucking gall to try to gaslight us that it’s our fault, not theirs.

              When you decide that the better option is getting out of the car and jumping off of the cliff yourself, that’s when it starts being your fault.

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                And I didn’t (I voted for Harris, and also kept my mouth shut about her sprint to the right, like a good little Democrat, until after the election).

                So you can take that accusation and fuck all the way off with it.

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              Now, now grue. We must not ever say “liberal” and anything negative in the same sentence!

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            lol. Ok. love the downvotes. The Dems have learned nothing since 2016. Blaming the voters for not cosigning piss poor policy and unpopular decisions, while gaslighting thr working class about all time economic highs based on shit like stock prices and CPI when the latter number intentionally neglects to measure housing, food, or energy costs. You know, the things that make up the majority of expenditures for the class of people who overwhelmingly swung towards Trump.

            Go ahead. Call me a deplorable. I’ll be volunteering in the refugee camps like I have been since 2017. Will you? Or will you continue to attack marginalized people for pulling the only lever they have?

            God knows the 2nd option hasn’t worked and lost the Dems north of 60% of all Latino voters. But surely it’s hundreds of millions of people that are wrong about feeling trapped by an economic system designed to turn their bodies into profit for billionaires.

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              Or will you continue to attack marginalized people for pulling the only lever they have?

              Well they had 2 levers, really. If you ignore the primaries

              God knows the 2nd option hasn’t worked and lost the Dems north of 60% of all Latino voters. But surely it’s hundreds of millions of people that are wrong about feeling trapped by an economic system designed to turn their bodies into profit for billionaires.

              The dems have lost so much Latino (and African American) votes because the GOP quite correctly identified that they could sway huge amounts of them with core religious and conservative messaging. ‘No rainbows’ and ‘no abortion’ seems to have turned more of them at very low cost compared to convincing them Trump has the right economic voodoo. Big chance those kind of voters are never coming back, regardless of their economic situation

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                Considering Trump didn’t beat his 2020 numbers and Kamala came up like 10 million short of Biden’s, it is not clear at all that people switched sides as much as Trump pulling in first time voters and Kamala failing to motivate the base. That is to say, claims about lost voters aren’t backed by the evidence.

                Yes, more Latinos voted for Trump than in 2020, but what percentage of that was from natural demographic shifts? I certainly haven’t seen that analysis, which is likely to skew the reported election day polls.

                Reflect on why 10 million people chose not to show up that day. Instead of blaming them, blame the people who didn’t listen to them.

                This summer, 30% of respondents said a gaza ceasefire would make them more likely to support the Dems. I’m pretty sure that 30% of 330 million people would have made up for the 10 or 15% of deeply religious people. Similar polls listed the economy and the wars as the most common issues for voters, but you claim- without evidence- that the motivation was abortion and gay rights, which poll nationally at 60+% approval.

                Seriously, reflect on this so it doesn’t happen a 3rd time. There is no path to a democratic majority that ignores the real concerns of the working class, which the Dems have been woefully inadequate on according to countless polls over the last few years.

                Am I aware that inflation was caused by Trump mishandling the pandemic and introducing tariffs and trade barriers? yes. Do I think Trump will be less racist? Of course not.

                But I’m highly educated, privileged, and don’t have more pressing concerns like feeding a family. I will not blame voters for exercising their rights. You do you though.

                I’m oh-so-sure you’ll channel that rage into something useful like community activism and union organizing, right?

                Maybe I’m an idealist, but I bet working in and with these communities is a better approach than saying “you owe us because of the civil rights act”, while ignoring the fact that the Democratic party authored the crime bill that gave us the new Jim Crow.

                What, exactly, have the Dems done to earn their vote?

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                  I’m blaming them for exercising their rights? I’m blaming Trump voters for being idiots and working class Trump voters as being the biggest idiots.

                  It’s great you’re doing volunteer work but you sound like you consider yourself as an adult looking over mere children, apparently largely based on their skin color, and think your children should be given some slack.

                  They are adults, they can vote, and the GOP correctly identified that skin color is not something magical that shields them from having just as many idiots either holding strong conservative beliefs or believing in populist economic messaging. Preferably both. And if the dems aren’t handing them out any gifts because of their skin color anyway, then what exactly is left holding them from voting for the conservative party?

                  Now beware, before you go off accusing me again, that I’m not saying people of Latino or African American descent are somehow magically more inclined to hold conservative beliefs or otherwise being idiots. They were always there. The problem lies in the fact that now the GOP has found out they can easily target them. And in the US it always takes 2 smart people to cancel out 1 idiot, as the latter is much easier to convince to go vote.

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                Homey, Nancy Pelosi is worth $240 million too. Boeing and Raytheon love Biden and Harris as much as they love Dick Cheney – and they literally campaigned on that fact.

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      Joe Biden is still president and over 200 children were slaughtered since the election. Tomorrow is the deadline he gave Israel for letting aid into the north of Gaza, but he will not enforce it because he also believes that there are no such thing as Palestinians and that they should die, leave or live as subjects to Jews so that Israel can annex all territory the Bible grants it.

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      Because Bidens policies that Kamala guaranteed to continue were going to save them?

      Maybe a few more behind the scene tut-tuts and billions of arms to Israel would have helped.

      Good job every Dem who supported Israel, good job for taking millions and millions in lobbying bribes. At least your pockets are fat.

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      https://youtu.be/3cdqQ2BdgOA

      Time traveler here, someone wrote a song about you in 1966

      I vote for the democtratic party

      They want the u.n. to be strong

      I go to all the pete seeger concerts

      He sure gets me singing those songs

      I’ll send all the money you ask for

      But don’t ask me to come on along

      So love me, love me, love me, i’m a liberal

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        kamalacaust

        You definitely sound like someone who’s willing to have a reasonable conversation.

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        Watch the efficiency in which they finish the genocide January 21st.

        That will demonstrate how much you helped Palestine because you genuinely care. Pfft wow I could barely type that without laughing. You have blood on your hands.

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        Explain to me how she, or people in her orbit/administration, have said things even remotely similar to what Huckabee just said.

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        If you’re going to name it after someone, maybe try the guy in Israel actually directing the damn thing?

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    Middle to Low Income Americans: fucked

    Palestinians: eradicated

    Separation of Church and State: homogenized

    1%ers: completely torqued

    The NWO is here, the Rubes just forgot to mention it was them and the capitalists enacting it not the illuminati

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    Based on the need for ancient history to claim a people, there’s no Americans either. Does that mean we give everything back to the indigenous people? I hope so. Also even if they’re Arabs as you say, that doesn’t mean you can just murder them indiscriminately like this.

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      Yes, an American politician should be wary of making the argument that non-ancient roots in an area make their claim on their land default.

      Honestly, I have trouble dealing with the irony that American politicians are pro-zionism becuase Jews used to hold the land a long time ago until they were outcast from their homelands aand forced to move far away, displacing Palestinian people that live tthere now in the process… and then think that Native American sovereignty (let alone their claim to their historical lands that were stolen from them) are ridiculous and unfair to contemporary US citizens that live here now.

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          Yes, because Israel definitely doesn’t have nukes. That would be in violation of international non-proliferation agreements, and they have the utmost respect for international law.

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      They are in ancient history though. They’re in the Bible that these people treasure so much, the philistines are mentioned a lot as people who live in the southern Levant who aren’t Jewish. After the roman emperor hadrian expelled the jews from Judah he renamed the province Palestine, more to spite the jews then to honor the philistines, which is the name of the region and the people who live in it who are not jews to this day.

      Yeah they absorbed a hegemonic imperial Arab culture in the second millennium but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. That’s like saying Canadians don’t exist because them and the u.s. we’re created by the same empire and have a very similar culture and language.

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    Article from 2015

    Not that his opinions have likely changed, but please tell people if you’re sharing older news articles.

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    Oh shit, that’s the first person I ever voted against! As a 17 year old I registered as a republican specifically because I hated him.