The manager who approved this need to be fired. Programs need to ask permission to the user before installing, especially when they’re not device drivers.
This is literal malware and there’s also a chance that it might be exploited (example: a mitm Attack exchanges the file that armory crate is downloading)
This kind of Easter egg is not funny at all, developers must avoid undocumented time bombs. I still remember that day 15 years ago when I turned on my Wii and it said that the system files were corrupted. After hours of reverting a full nand backup via bootmii (and losing 2 years of game saves) it turned out that it was a funny April’s fool by crediar, which put a fake system corruption message when you run his program on April 1st. Problem is that his program was a loader for the system menu so it was unavoidable if you didn’t know that.
Like me, there must be someone paranoid that saw that black bar on the screen, saw a weird Christmas.exe running on their system, and starting wiping or restoring old images to “clean” that.
When you turn on your PC and notice that there’s a huge Christmas banner on your desktop, do not panic – your device is not compromised.
Hah, well a vendor just pushed unapproved executable to the device and ran it without consent. Under any definition or other context it’s definitely compromised.
This is why I boycott Logitech, they started pushing the Logitech Download Assistant through Windows Update as soon as you connect a Logitech mouse/keyboard.
It autoruns not only when it is first installed but on every startup.
It is rather annoying to try and uninstall it, I don’t get why there has been so little backlash against this…
Microsoft permitting this is devaluing Windows Update, the driver (.inf) should be installed automatically, any executable file that WU wants to download and run on your computer should just bring up a small Windows notification saying something like this:
The device you just installed requests to download and run the following program from Windows Update:
Logitech Download Assistant
Will you approve or reject this request? Approve/Reject
It is just terrible that this is permitted
It’s almost as if the PC doesn’t belong to you anymore
I never knew about this (using Linux) but when I plugged my mouse onto a friend’s laptop and suddenly a big banner animated onscreen, my heart sank lol. No idea how this works but it was pretty unexpected.
I try not to be too Linux fanboish these days, but what in the ever loving fuck is that about? Windows sounds like it’s reverted to 90s/early 2000s novelty crap and browser toolbars.
I get this request sometimes on my work machine. Guess what? I don’t even have the rights to install it. Insanity
This is why I boycott Logitech
You should boycott Microsoft instead. As you say, they’re the ones permitting it.
I would if I could, but I work with Windows and if I migrate to Linux at home, my skills in Windows would dimminish
Wouldn’t your skills be kept sharp by using it at work?
It doesn’t work like that for me I am afraid.
“skills in windows” is a hilarious thing to type. Merry Christmas.
Sigh, why, why do you do feel the need to put other’s down over something as irrelevant as an operating system?
But since Windows require zero skills, then even you may stand a chance to solve the following tasks that I have had to deal with within Windows.
- List all users in the local admin group of all workstations, if a group is part of the local admin group, expand it and list individual users, oh and some users/groups are still on an old domain.
- Whitelist a new USB device in GPO.
- Make a report of all computers in the organization, get the current system model number, memory, storage space, free storage space, check weather or not the computer is ready for Windows 11, sort the list by department and primary user.
These weirdos have Linux as their entire identity and it’s become all consuming for some of them.
I just block anyone who is shilling Linux too much as it gets boring quickly, and I use Linux myself as of recently but it isn’t all that amazing and it requires a good amount of configuration, contrary to what people on here will tell you.
Linux is amazing, I use it regularly for diferent projects.
I even dailied Ubuntu 15 years ago, but then switched back to Windows for gaming and work.
I’m in IT too. My experience is that if you use Linux at home and Windows at work you just end up skilled at both. At one point I was even using a Macbook at work (wouldn’t have even been a consideration if WSL was just a little better), using a Windows jump server or a VM for my Windows-y ops, and I became skilled at all 3 OS’s.
All of that is to say that your skill won’t decrease if Windows is still being used, especially if you’re using it in a professional context.
This is really the wrong sub thread to discuss this, this was my reply to someone laughing at the concept of Windows skills.
As for you comment, I am glad that it works like that for you, it doesn’t for me.
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How likely are any of those at home?
Powershell is very useful to use at home, maybe not in those exact tasks, but it is a Windows skill.
Work a help desk shift supporting windows users and see if you still say that.
im guessing you use arch btw
It sucks because I’ve always liked Logitech hardware. Though I suppose you don’t need to run the software suite (or if you’re on Linux it isn’t an option anyway).
Cannot confirm, I have a g903, paired mouse pad, and their brio webcam. I only have the G Hub, which I installed manually. Maybe they stopped this behavior?
It won’t be listed under programs and features, here you have more info:
https://www.tenforums.com/software-apps/147661-how-remove-logitech-download-assistant.html
Yeah, I have neither the mentioned files in sys32 or the entry in dev mgr. This might be discontinued?
I had windows update try to brick the BIOS on my Lenovo workstation recently. I can’t believe Microsoft and manufacturers do this kind of shit. Luckily my workstation had dual BIOS so I could recover it. Between that and the fact that lenovo manufacturer locks their processors I would have waited until I could afford a supermicro had I known.
That shits on Lenovo because I never had an issue with Microsoft updating the UEFI of HP machines of our clients.
I’m not trying to protect lenovo. I think they are a shit company now, and I should have some my research better before buying my computer, but they aren’t the only ones doing this. Anyone who’s done BIOS updates knows that shouldn’t be done automatically, but manufacturers and Microsoft seem to think it’s a good idea to push it through automatic updates.
Especially when there’s a chance that the bios update resets the tpm and if the user has enabled bitlocker (automatically done in background without user consent on windows 11 if using a Microsoft account) then they need to type the decryption key to boot again.
Happened twice on my laptop
Never said HP are saints either. Just my anectode of it not happening (yet).
Welp, seems ASUS motherboards also push this by default: https://www.techpowerup.com/248827/asus-z390-motherboards-automatically-push-software-into-your-windows-installation
During testing for our Intel Core i9-9900K review we found out that new ASUS Z390 motherboards automatically install software and drivers to your Windows 10 System, without the need for network access, and without any user knowledge or confirmation. This process happens in complete network-isolation (i.e. the machine has no Internet or LAN access).
This is how cheats are installed on LAN competitions
Holy shit. I got Logitech peripherals, and an ASUS motherboard. I’m glad I’m on Linux. I still have Windows installed, and booted into it around 2 weeks ago, after it having lied dormant for four months. I didn’t notice anything being installed, but maybe I had to reboot first.
Quite possibly, my peripherals and motherboard are all too old to have this anti-feature. Do you know if there is a list of which of their hardware this is the case for?
Damnit, I always preferred Logitech mice. I guess I might have bought my last one.
What’s Logitech have to do with it
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What does it do with Linux?
The ASUS UEFI firmware exposes an ACPI table to Windows 10, called “WPBT” or “Windows Platform Binary Table”. WPBT is used in the pre-built OEM industry, and is referred to as “the Vendor’s Rootkit.” Put simply, it is a script that makes Windows copy data from the BIOS to the System32 folder on the machine and execute it during Windows startup - every single time the system is booted.
So, sounds like a Windows-specific
vulnerabilityfeature.Make a read only file/folder with the same name and the script should fail. But that is horseshit.
Similarly (above), I can’t confirm this either, on two different Asus boards, still in support/updates. I’m assuming this requires their software to be installed, which there’s no point to, so I didn’t bother… Maybe it’s part of their armory crate system, which can (should) be disabled in the bios…
If it’s unwanted, disruptive, and (allegedly) impacts performance, that’s not “malware-like”. It’s malware.
Confirmed, windows 11 is malware.
The seven windows 11 users disagree with you
(I am not one of them)
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I did not reply because it was obvious I made a mistake (as a partially blind person does when reading small text.) And you took a widely accepted community name and format and gave it your own twist, then sent a PM that was obviously looking for drama. Which is further obvious here.
before you guys upvote him, please read the discussion.
this guy came to my instance, read what I wrote, typed out a report and submitted it; he blames blindness and small text for not knowing which instance he was on, but neither of those issues prevented him from reading my post (it was a post about abuse, in a community I created, on my own instance) and reporting it. That’s why I banned him. He’s using a disability as an excuse to get away with offensive behavior (ignoring me when I tried to discuss the issue privately first).
Yes, disabled people can behave offensively. Some disabled people can be selfish. Some of them hurt people, then walk away without apologizing, and blame their disability instead of themselves. To me, that’s abusive, and I call it out instead of letting people get away with it, because I’ve suffered enough at the hands of people who make excuses instead of being accountable.
This doesn’t help you at all, even if we ignore the other users disability.
Someone reported your post on your instance and community because they thought it broke a rule, even though it didn’t. That happens all the time in communities, we see it here multiple times per day.
Then you PM them, which they didn’t feel the need to reply to. So you then looked for one of their recent comments to attempt to publicly shame them and force them to respond, and are now trying to save face when people tell you you’re wrong.
This isn’t acceptable behavior from a mod or an admin, do better.
Edit: and replying “banned lol” to anyone who disagrees with you, hope after the 3 day ban here you’ll matured a bit.
The post was on all, I never went to your instance until after I sent the report and realized I made a mistake, to which I already admitted to having made a mistake publicly. Now you are following me to other instances and harassing me, and trying to bully me because I did not reply to a PM that I saw at about the same time I saw your reply to this unrelated thread.
You are acting like the report hurt you in some way. If you are this thin skinned about moderating and instance administration you may want to step back.
ok
thanks!
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Not a good look
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From where, exactly?
Ban me too, please? I’d prefer to not stumble across whatever you’re hosting.
Preach.
Thanks for cleaning up, I am sorry my error spilled over into this thread.
Why are you offended by someone else’s disagreement?
It also automatically reinstalls itself through a BIOS feature. That’s advanced level malware.
Right? I thought I read that wrong!
To disable future crap like this you gotta do it in the FUCKING BIOS? Wtf Asus…
I think the title indicates that it’s like the malware known as “Christmas.exe”.Edit: I have too much faith in humanity…
The title is pushing the narrative that “real companies” doing hostile bullshit isn’t “real malware”.
When companies ship malware, it should be called malware.
Most malware is corporate shitware.
Compared to the wealth of pop-ups, ads and tracker cookies ubiquitous in every website that are burning down forests so they can run black box algorithms to optimize dark patterns for extracting as much revenue as possible while working the sweatshop poor to the bone - worming their way into everything without the condom of extensions - a cryptostealer disguised as ChatGPT_NFT_money_explosion.exe made by some teenager in albania feels… benign.
From the article:
Even worse, the malware-looking Christmas wreath is linked to a process called “Christmas.exe.”
So the process was actually called that. It popped up on my machine this morning and I immediately started scanning the whole system for malware and searching to see if anyone else had this problem.
Jesus Christ what the fuck.
the wreath has a memory leak
modern app design and its consequences
More like old app design. It’s much harder (but of course fully doable) to have a memory leak in modern languages.
it is a very subtile ad for linux
WDYM “malware like”? It is malware.
It is a part of the ASUS Armoury Crate software that is pre-installed on some ASUS PCs.
Always flash new OS if you buy a computer.
That won’t get rid of it unless you also manually go into the BIOS and disable the install ASUS Armoury Crate setting as explained in the article.
If you don’t do this it will automatically reinstall even on a fresh install of Windows. Some of these bloatware programs will even install without an internet connection! This absolutely ludicrously stupid feature is called WPBT and is used by lots of manufacturers. Luckily it doesn’t work on Linux (at least for now…).
That’s wild that it’s a BIOS setting. Just an extra level of fuck you.
It’s for the more novice users who can assemble a PC but don’t ever think go download / install drivers afterwards.
Most of the motherboard OEMs do this. I get a lot fewer tickets where the root cause of the issue can be boiled down to “never installed drivers afterwards installing Windows”, which is also helped by the fact that many drivers are also served through Windows Update.
Operational drivers, sure i can see some valid use there.
But this is crapware.
I’m quite happy to install it, disable its startup background functions, and then use it to install / update drivers periodically. Much less tedious than doing it the manual way, especially when managing 10-20 systems per week.
There’s a bunch of other potential functions but I simply don’t bother with them.
It makes sense on my ROG Ally X.
I don’t think it reinstalls itself if you install Linux
For now…
Yup. And here i am, always telling people to first read the linked article, before they write.
automatically reinstall
The user is prompted to install the application.
According to this article: https://www.techpowerup.com/248827/asus-z390-motherboards-automatically-push-software-into-your-windows-installation it has already installed services on your computer that persist restarts by the time you are prompted to install Armoury Crate. In my opinion that is not acceptable at all.
I understand and respect your preference.
A “power user” is typically going to go through the UEFI/BIOS settings immediately after assembling their machine to configure them to their liking. Having that preference, you likely fall within that category. I would add that, at this point, this practice is about 6 generations old at this point and in use by most motherboard vendors.
As the article mentions, the feature could be considered useful. These products aren’t designed specifically for power users. Having network access and a frictionless path to driver deployment is ultimately beneficial to the majority of consumers who are going to interact with this hardware.
I would completely agree with you if that was what this feature was being used for, however most manufacturers use it to install bloatware instead of drivers which is not acceptable in my opinion.
Not to mention the huge security risk of running exe files at boot up that could be exploited by malicious people. I’m sure manufacturers aren’t releasing a new bios update every time they update their software so old versions could have unpatched vulnerabilities…
That’s in the bios, it’s a pcie device that windows allows to inject root level code into your environement, you have to turn it off and hope nothing ever spoofs that pcie id because that’s a permanent hardware rootkit into your pc like EFI
That’s in the bios, it’s a pcie device that windows allows to inject root level code into your environement
What. The. Fuck. Are they the only one to install their crap so deep?
Haha no. My work computer is HP and has similar shit.
Msi tomahawk has it too.
Gotta go in the bios and make sure your motherboard isn’t “helping” with drivers.
Which model is that?
Doesnt sound like an Elite/Pro model.I dont know the exact model, but i think it is marketed B2B specifically. It advertises its “wolf security” on boot, which according to HP “offers hardware-enforced security layers, from motherboard to cloud, to prevent and contain malware, phishing, ransomware, and remote access attacks. It also provides solutions for patching, privileged access, remote management, incident recovery, and print security.”
So it is something that allows HP access on the BIOS level.
If it’s b2b it sounds like elite or pro model.
But this wolf thingie is something about securing something.
We usually remove it and it doesnt appear new installations.
No my ROG board does the same.
ROG is Asus.
Also I don’t think I’ve ever had this issue with my previous, nor my current rog boards. I never use their drivers CD so maybe that helps
Just because a the brand is owned by them doesnt mean they do the same.
ROG is model line of Asus, not a secondary brand. ROG is to Asus what F-series trucks are to Ford.
Or we could all be informed consumers and… research products before we buy them to avoid these kinds of issues.
I’d never buy an Asus product. I hear they’re a nightmare when it comes to customer service, so in avoiding them, I avoid that problem.
I swore myself to never buy an ROG PSU (very noisy fan. Never had an issue with my seagate one being noisy) or a motherboard (armory crate).
Are other (gaming) brands also so shit to have me reset all settings before updating the firmware? e.g Gigabyte, AsRock, EVGA?
Can this “feature” be turned off on Windows?
Edit: nvm, I read the article
You can turn it off in the bios, but windows will still execute code with root privileges from devices with the right PCI and USB ID As far as I know, that one cannot be turned off. I assume it is also a police/intel backdoor for PCs with secure boot and encryption turned on.
This will be executed even on new fresh installation oob.
Yet another vendor-bootkit?
He didn’t say to flash Windows. 😉
Which distro do you recommend?
If you want minimal hassle, Mint is the deal.
Universal Blue is my go-to. Their OSs feel like the future. They are so easy to use and low maintenance. The upgrades happen in the background and apply automatically when you restart your computer.
There are three flavors: Bazzite for gaming Bluefin and Aurora for basic workstations and developers
I went with Aurora for myself because I like the developer focused stuff. But I also do a lot of gaming. Even though it’s not gaming focused, it’s still great for gaming.
My wife uses it on her laptop, too. She doesn’t give a shit what her OS is as long as it works and she can use the browser.
Aurora works very well on my dell laptop
EndeavourOS
Even for beginners it’s got a fantastic starting layout and default packages, but it’s still basically “just Arch Linux” where it counts so you get the best of both worlds.
+1 for EndeavourOS here. For 90% of what I do, it was a virtually seamless transition. Only hang up is a few games, VR, etc.
Garuda is probably a better option if the focus is gaming. It’s the same idea, just with a focus on gaming hardware and software ready to go, out of the gate.
This cracks me up that everyone has a different distro to recommend… But I’ve tried many and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed was the standout that I’ve decided to stick with indefinitely.
Linux Mint or de-snapped Kubuntu.
Hi there. I just installed Kubuntu on a spare machine, but I ran into a problem with the snaps. How would one “de-snap” it? Can you point me in the right direction?
- Remove Snap packages
snap remove <package-name>(To check snap PKG installed, run
snap list)
- Uninstall Snapd
sudo apt purge snapd- Remove leftover files
sudo rm -rf /var/cache/snapd/and/snap`.- Optionally install Flatpak if you want an alternative.
sudo apt install flatpak. Don’t forget to visit flathub.
Lemmy Gold 🥇
Depends on your skills and what you want. I’m currently configuring a setup on Void, to learn about login, Wayland & Flatpak. Is that up your alley?
“do not panic – your device is not compromised.”
meme(always has been)
if someone not you installing crap you dont want isn’t compromised then i dont what is
There is nothing wrong with your device. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We control the horizontal. We control the vertical.
…We control the treble, and all your bass belongs to us too.
/incredibly ancient joke
If you think the zoomers don’t know about Zero Wing you got another thing coming, buster 😎
I suddenly have the UHF theme song stuck in my head. We gonna make a couch potatah outta you!
Who green lit this? I really hope that person gets fired immediately.
The lack of any visual link to ASUS isn’t even the biggest problem for me; it’s that ASUS rolls out a program that (presumably) puts itself in autostart by default and just pops up without prompt at all.
Edit: There’s a fucking setting in the BIOS to auto-install ASUS’ bullshit software? And it’s enabled by default… jesus fucking christ
Most computers firmware can store a Windows executable. Microsoft pushed for an addition to the ACPI tables called WPBT. That stores a Windows exectuable in the firmware. It is of course totally used for the intended purpose…
I’m always dismayed but not surprised by how many people don’t know about Windows Platform Binary Table, which has existed since Windows 8. It’s not exactly the type of feature that Microsoft or the board vendors would want to publicize, seeing as it gives them persistent rootkit capabilities on the same level as UEFI rootkits.
Most normal people’s model of Windows security is “if something goes wrong then I wipe the disk and reinstall Windows,” and WPBT completely breaks that model, and has been doing so for 12 years.
Thankfully there are ways to disable it:
There has been for years now. Disabling it is part of my first-time setup for a new board.
My ASUS X470 board doesn’t have it, though; guess it’s a bit too old for that
Stop buying ASUS junk imo
Curious, what do you run? Gigabyte is still meh, ASRock I’ve heard is questionable, MSI is blacklisted garbage for me after a failed bios update and failed flashback restore…
I’ve only heard good things about Aorus (which is basically Gigabyte), though
I helped a friend spec and build their first machine and they got an Aorus (that’s so weird to spell) board but it’s literally just branding. The board is fine but has nothing fancy, and it’s not crazy expensive but it’s sure not cheap either. We have flashed new bios on it twice and the instructions are well over 15 years old and very wrong. It’s a word document and like 4 steps, and they can’t even be bothered to do that much? What set are they leaving on autopilot? (oh, owners, update your bios as there is a recent exploit in the bios due to lack of ssl/tls… as in, there is none when checking for updates which can lead to you installing a malicious bios…)
Just… questionable.
I have a while ago…
Another reason to not buy any Asus stuff.
everyone submit a help desk ticket to Asus asking wtf is going on
I’d love to know if this was just some guy who went ‘let’s ship it to all our customers!’ or if this was a C-level 300 hours of meetings type of thing which concluded that spreading christmas
malwarecheer was the right move.this was downloaded and ‘installed’ by asus armory crate, which came from malware baked right into the bios of new and ‘newish’ asus motherboards (how to disable)
Remember when Lenovo did this?
Now ask the non-Christians need to do a class action lawsuit lol
Wot?
You just cant make this shit up. Truly is year of the linux desktop.
They say that every year
And every year it is.
I don’t use Linux much, and I still agree. If the market share for Linux continues to rise every year, then it’s absolutely true.
There must have been at least one crappy one though, statistically speaking
I feel like there would be no “Year of the Linux Desktop”, but rather the year of “Oh wow when did we hit 20% already?” A death of a thousand cuts is more plausible.
Somebody should create a windows executable to be placed in the WPBT that silently install Linux on first windows boot…
