Slinging that welfare to the farmers. SSDD.
I like how “american farmers” sounds like helping the little guy. No. Just another corporate bailout, nothing to see here.
Liberal America still envisions old dudes in overalls growing carrots in a small field, a single tear rolling down their cheek as their 6 children look on with empty bowls.
Rather than almost completely industrialized corn factories producing the raw materials for overseas ethanol production.
That view is confined to liberals?
No, but middle-class liberal america are still the country’s actual breadbasket, and the ones who are most easily influenced with simplistic imagery and narratives, so that’s who these stories are designed to appeal to. It would really, really twist official narratives if America broadly realized that some industries get socialism and others don’t.
this is the problem with politics nowadays. You see it as a left vs right thing, its just divide and conquer against the masses in what is rich vs poor.
I don’t understand what you’re going on about, I am talking about politics as it’s happening, and didn’t even frame it in a left/right way, I am talking about the administration and media’s framing of bailouts for “farmers.”
Are you a bot?
exactly. I would rather see all incentives removed and let those companies choke on their land grabs.
Fuckin welfare states. Pick yourselves up by the bootstraps you fuckin “without us America is nothing” fuck boys. I’m tired of these red states hurting people and still getting handouts.
I always have to laugh when I’d see people online arguing for rural areas/rural states and getting chapped about states being called “flyover states”. They’d start with that “but WE supply your food! The people in the cities would starve without us!”
WTAF. Get outta here with that shit. First of all, most of what I eat comes from Mexico and California. Secondly, it’s not as if these people are supplying food out of a sense of altruism. They act like they are really doing something truly noble and everyone else should bow and scrape over their racist bullshit because of that?
These people are going to really not know what to say as automation really, really starts taking flight for these kinds of jobs (why we started applying AI to things like white collar jobs first I have no idea). I know for a fact that full, end-to-end automation is a goal of the coal industry and it sure as hell is one for farming, too, as I saw a presentation on it being made several years ago. In any case, it’s going to be hard for these morons that happen to live near corporations extracting food from the land act like they should call the shots on how most Americans live their lives.
These assholes have been unable to deal with the reality that most Americans live in cities and have for quite some time…they just have not caught up. But these people think a minority are “real murica”.
as automation really, really starts taking flight for these kinds of jobs (why we started applying AI to things like white collar jobs first I have no idea)
They are, though? And it has massively changed the dynamics in agriculture. They just don’t make headlines because they’re technical behind-the-scenes stuff
It’s something that annoys me a bit when everyone started talking about AI, but only really a small part of it, and then thinking that’s the be-all-end-all of the field. It never was, and still isn’t. People just don’t know about the rest, and don’t read up on it either
Side note: farming is an area where the “Internet of Things” is used extensively as well, but when people think of IoT, they similarly only think about smart homes. Same problem as well
I watched a talk given about the mining industry (and this was pre-2023 by many years - that’s the year a whole lot of Americans seemed to wake up to “AI” being a thing outside of sci-fi) seeking to automate things end-to-end. Especially as they want to extract things in places that are more and more remote, having human involvement is very expensive.
So that was the extractive industry, talking to itself in frank terms; meanwhile, you had Donvict in his first term doing lots of performative bullshit (remember all the assholes screaming at journalists to “learn to code” when they were being laid off? Pretty sure that originated in stupid talking points related to miners) about “the miners” - the very miners the extractive industry wants to entirely eliminate.
I have no doubts that the agriculture is seeking to do the same and there are probably places where similar talks have been/are being given. I know that things like having GPS guiding the machinery is already a given. I know there were already pilot programs for automation in things like, say, picking strawberries.
It’s rather ironic given where things are likely going - it seems like neither Republicans nor Democrats have really copped to the stark near-term realities on such things…
They specified food that is actually eaten. As opposed to turned into animal feed or even stupider like corn turned into gasoline.
Now show me how much of that shit is (or, should I say, was, until the advent of orangeboi’s brilliant tariff policy) exported.
This is what the bailouts are for; the symptom being treated is a gunshot wound to the foot, caused by the patient aiming and discharging a firearm at said foot.
Honestly, my reaction at this point is to engineer around the middle of the fucking country. New England and the pacific states and Illinois should just build shitloads of vertical farms and roll with that. Fuck the flyovers. They’re by and large holding us back with their idiocy and regressive politics - or more pointedly, their gullible susceptibility to such an incredible variety of idiotic political scams.
I’m not convinced any significant part of my food is produced by flyover states. I eat local when I can, I know California is a huge food producer, but it seems like most food is from other countries.
Let those flyover states continue to milk that high fructose corn syrup I try to avoid and that ethanol I don’t use in my EV, right into an early grave
Checking the tofu (soy) in my fridge…… it doesn’t say where it is from but “distributed by” and import company certainly implies it’s sourced from other countries
Yup. Same. The food made in flyover states is mostly stuff fed to animals (which I don’t eat) or is piped into a lot of processed foods, which I try to minimize my intake of, while I try to maximize my intake of things made in California (and Mexico), etc.
Useless map. The only potential human food on that map is wheat.
It’s also almost 20 years old
Edit: I actually didn’t see the fruits, nuts, etc but my point still stands IMO.
The only potential human food on that map is wheat.
Huh? Humans eat corn, soybeans, fruit, nuts and vegetables, which are all on the map.
The corn and soybeans grown in the US is not for humans
Thanks. I wasn’t aware. I’m doing some reading and it’s surprising.
The fruit and nuts could also be human food. Other than California it’s pretty much only in Florida.
Yes, California.
I’ve been saying for a while that the USA needs to disband and form (at least) three new Unions - a West Coast Union; a Northeast Union; and a Midwest/South Union(s). Take away all of the safety nets that red states get from the federal government supplemented by blue states and they’ll descend into utter chaos in a matter of months. That’s the only way that red state constituents will have a chance of realising how much they benefit from the federal government they so often rail against.
You want states’ rights? Secede and see how long you last.
Don’t lump Midwest with the South! Give them to the east coast.
They say you have to bury a farmer 10 feet down to prevent their arm from popping out of the ground to collect another handout.
Or you could feed them to the wood chipper
Or pigs…
Ah, the good old socialist handouts!
A government handout? Lazy no good farmers taking my taxes. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Stop buying Starbucks. And most importantly, stop voting for gop pedophiles.
Stop growing avocados and making toast!
Fuck those guys. Taking money from the blue states. Get a real job.
So US tax payers are paying for the tariffs. Who would have every guessed?
Paying twice. You pay the tariffs on imported goods and pay again to bailout the local farmers who can’t sell their goods overseas.
Three times because we are also bailing out the country that is selling the soybeans we would normally sell to China.
Fiscal conservatives doing what they do best
Well, it’s certainly not coming from the tariffs
While the MAGAt fucks continue to cry about SOCIALISM.
Don’t worry 90% of it will go to Cargill, ADM, Tyson, Smithfield, John Deere, and Bayer/Monsanto.
All the remaining small farms will fight over the scraps and then get bought out by one of the first four, depending on what they farm…or be entirely under the thumb of the other two.
Indeed! +1 They’re circling like vultures while their lobbyists work the politicians.
That was really the idea all along. Consolidation of wealth and power.
I’m guessing most farmers will be allowed to stay in their homes and manage their fields while the big ag companies take all their yield and pay out a meager salary.
They’ll call it “franchise farming” or something catchy, but it’s really gonna be Indentured Servants 2.0.
JD Vance has investments in companies that buy out farms from farmers. He says the farms will continue to be run by experts (ie the farmers he bought the farms from)
AcreTrader is the company
Corporate Sharecropping
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You know which single individual owns the most farmland in the US? Bill Gates
For this large of a bailout, my groceries should be free.
No, socialism is only for corporations and now farmers too I guess.
It was always for farmers… Capitalism is really bad at sustaining farm output
Capitalism dictates that we only grow food for profit. When it stops being profitable to grow food, we don’t grow food, and then (poor) people starve.
This is not a bug; this is a feature.
Oh, no no no… It’s so much worse than even that
See, farming massive fields is pretty easy with technology, and with petrochemical fertilizer you can grow in depleted soil. So is keeping livestock, more so if you keep them in cruel conditions
So there’s a problem there… And I don’t mean the environmental issues. It’s too cheap. Farmers would have to sell at a loss
We produce so much food that the farms would all go out of business without intervention.
But the government can’t set quotas or control access to the market… That’s socialism or something
Instead, the government pays farmers to burn portion of their crop, we put ethanol in gasoline (even though it’s a bad idea), the government siezes some of the crop to stockpile and maybe sell (and give you whatever cut they like), we used to ship tons of food overseas through USAID, and so much more
Industrial farming does not play nice with capitalism.
Don’t forget other countries.
We paid out 20 billion dollars to Argentina, fucked over a bunch of American soy bean farmers in MAGA country and so he’s paying them another 10 billion to not turn on him. Cool.
Framers are millionaires. Their farmland the equipment needed to run it is hugely expensive. They voted for bailouts and tax breaks the first time, and that’s what they voted for this time. When they weren’t getting what they voted for they threatened to turn on him until he gave in. They won’t learn anything from this except that they get tax breaks and bailouts from Trump.
What about everyone else’s wallets that have been hurt by his decisions?
It’s okay guys, Trump has gained 17 TRILLION from tariffs. Biden? 1 Trillion, Trump, 17 trillion in 8 months! Imagine that!
/dripping with orange sarcasm
Bail them out now, and then what? Their international customers aren’t coming back if they already found comparable trade partners elsewhere, and the non-billionaires here are tapped out from high food prices. Won’t they just need another bailout sooner than later?
It’s actually quite simple. Bail them out now, wait for the midterms. Let the farmers go bankrupt next year so mega corporations buy up their foreclosed fam land. Then the mega corporations and billionaires get to privatize the profits and socialize the loses. There’s no better investment than that.
Yep. They get to “own the libs”, but the megacorporations will get to own their farms. Cons are not really great at thinking shit through. Being the emotionally flighty people that they are, but ironically, calling everyone to their left a “snowflake”, they are easily manipulated…
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Pay them to destroy the crops that they grew, of course!
No, this is yet another bullshit excuse to feed money to the already wealthy megacorps that are in the Ag business. Small farmers won’t get a damn thing, just like last time.
They should just do this monthly, but have regulations to figure out how people can not abuse it, but then you need offices and checks and balances… Maybe even government agencies…Wait a minute…
Like, all jokes aside, as reckless as this all is, at least maybe they DO get there?
