With Zohran Mamdani’s ascent to Gracie Mansion, a democratic socialist is now chief executive for the largest municipal bureaucracy in the United States, meaning that he oversees the daily activities of roughly 300,000 employees. Most of these employees are what the political scientist Michael Lipsky called “street-level bureaucrats”: the teachers, firefighters, cops, bus drivers, and others whose jobs put them into direct and regular contact with civilians. But they also include the urban planners, economists, analysts, and administrators who operate behind the scenes and at the higher echelons of city government: the people who help write the city’s budget, study traffic patterns, and run grant and incentive programs.

It is this latter category of civil servants that will be tasked with turning the cumbersome machinery of city government in the direction indicated by Mamdani and his political appointees. Implementing a sewer socialist agenda in New York City will be, to a great extent, an enormously complicated technical exercise, carried out by a small army of trained technicians.

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    But police are supposed to be members of the larger community with accountability to the community.

    This is easily disprovable.

    Do police enforce the laws against wage theft? How about workplace safety? How about landlord malfeasance? How about any of the most broadly damaging crimes to a community?

    No. Police enforce the law when you break the landlords window, but not when he refuses to fix it. Police enforce the law when your employer demands you leave public property, but are not responsible for wage theft.

    Police solve very few crimes, 40% or less of felonies. They have never been accountable to the broader community.

    Except when they were used to keep black slaves on the straight and narrow when they ran errands in town for their masters, or when they “cleaned up” all the recently freed black people who were homeless and moneyless. The black people were in the minority so it could be said then that the police served the broader community.

    But other than that, no. The police have always been a necessary function of private property, because the rich acquire too much property and they need an entire paramilitary group to patrol their holdings against the masses.

    You can see this in the strike breaking that local police did. And then you can see it again in the state police system which was created because local police started to refuse to beat their neighbors. The state police was modeled after the US occupation of The Phillipines. Not designed for public accountability but for military occupation.

    Prisons too. US prisons have never been rehabilitive. They have always been a human grinder. When the slaves were freed, US prison populations went from 90% white to 90% black. The prisons leased the prisoners back to the plantation owners for profit. Today, prisons generate around $11B in profit for private companies. Meanwhile, the US has the world’s largest parole system, absolutely abysmal recidivism rates, and only recently lost its place as number 1 incarceration rate, being overtaken by El Salvador, where we are shipping prisoners, and Cuba, where prisons are rehabilitive and incredibly psychologically more welcoming, far less violent, and where the US has been literally paying people to fight against the government. China’s carceral system is way better than the USA’s and has been for many years.

    No. There is no going back to the way things were and taking back the bureaucracy. It was designed by slavers, rapists, mass murderers, genocidaires, and robber barons. It’s designed to be completely unaccountable to the masses and always has been. James Madison, 5th president, wrote in the Federalist Papers that the purpose of government is to protect the opulent minority from the will of the majority and that the Senate should be the body that enforces this.

    You’re not going to make any progress while the Senate remains. No amount of ideologically motivated bureaucrats is going to fix that. There’s no prior time to go back to where the entire system wasn’t fully aligned on mass murder, genocide, universal exploitation, military adventurism, psychotic wealth accumulation, starving children, etc.

    Hell, US sanctions alone have killed 40 million people around the world in the last 50 years. That’s a bipartisan consensus. As is funding the police and selling them military surplus, as is the prison industrial complex, as is funding the military, as is spying on US citizens, as is maintaining good relationships with brutal dictators, as is undermining democracy anywhere it threatens profits.

    It’s time to face the reality. There’s nothing behind us that worked, there’s no going back, and if there was a way to go back, it would be back to brutal, proto-fascistic system that would produce the same results we have today.

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      This is the point. Public employees are supposed to be held to the same standards of conduct, but they’re not.

      It’s true of police and members of Congress and other government agencies. Corruption becomes normalized, and once it’s normalized, it’s easy to rationalize as “I’m a cog in a corrupt machine. If I don’t do it somebody else will.”

      The goal of rebuilding a better government should be to make corruption the less rational option.

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        You’re missing the point. You can’t there from here. You can just slowly take over parts of the government and “corrupt” them in the direction you want. What we have emerged from what we had. The foundations of the system are the problem. The symptoms are just the current manifestation.

        It is the unfortunate reality that the path forward goes through “rupture” or “revolutionary change”. This doesn’t have to mean violence, but it means a fundamental break from the past and the creation of a fresh foundation.

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          The foundations were a problem. The response to the problem was reconstruction (not demolition) and the civil rights movement, and both faced opposition and subterfuge while they were being built.

          To me, if I needed a home, and somebody gave me an old house with a fucked up foundation that had already been repaired a few times, and had a lot of bad memories attached, it’s more rational to repair the foundation again, and know that I’ll need to reinforce it in the future because it’s just a fact of reality that houses always settle and shift over time. Then I would remodel the house to make it my own instead of just burning it all down and starting from scratch.

          Especially when burning the house down is also the goal of my enemy who wants to steal the land and rebuild a house that I won’t be welcome to live in.

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            The response to the problem was reconstruction (not demolition) and the civil rights movement, and both faced opposition and subterfuge while they were being built.

            And both failed to address the foundation, which is why we are where we are. Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Movement are evidence supporting my position.

            Especially when burning the house down is also the goal of my enemy who wants to steal the land and rebuild a house that I won’t be welcome to live in.

            This is confused logic. As it turns out, your enemy has far more income with the foundation builders than either do with you. You may see DJT as a totally evil human being, what with the human trafficking and rape and corrupt use of power for self-enrichment and what not. But he’s nothing compared to Thomas Jefferson who literally built and managed breeding plantations, where trafficked humans were raped and their children taken from them and sold as slaves. Thomas Jefferson kept a slave girl in a small room attached to his bedroom with no windows and only one door. And then, when he tried to use his power to end the transatlantic slave trade. Why? Because he wanted to charge a higher price for his “domestically bred slaves”.

            OK? Do you get it now? The foundation was built by your enemies too. Your enemies don’t want to burn the whole thing down. They want to remove those reforms you talked about. They want to get rid of your remodel, revert it back the way it was, and then continue living on that foundation.

            You are confused because you think somehow your current enemies are abberations trying to destroy everything when they’re actually the norm and they’re trying to destroy everything YOU care about and keep everything they care about.

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              You seem to be confusing my opinion differing from yours with me being “confused.” I’ll assume this is just a simple misunderstanding, because as a member of the reality based community, I really don’t like when people try to gaslight and create other people’s reality for them. It’s kind of a shitty and manipulative thing to do.

              This is still America, at least until THEY destroy it, and it’s important to me that we’re still allowed to disagree even if you don’t see things that way.

              In his recent book Why Nothing Works, Marc Dunkelman refers to this tendency as “Jeffersonian progressivism,” or a preference for “pushing power down and out” over the more “Hamiltonian” strategy of building strong, centralized institutions to serve progressive goals. The Jeffersonian-versus-Hamiltonian dichotomy is a little too schematic, but it does gesture toward a real tension within the American left. On the one hand, the left needs a muscular state—capable of overseeing large-scale infrastructure projects and redistributive programs—to realize its vision. On the other hand, there exists a strain of leftist thought that is inclined to reject anything that smacks of hierarchy, centralization, formal rules, and decisions made through any process other than consensus. Some leftists find themselves negotiating an uneasy compromise between these twin imperatives; others embrace one or the other.

              Mamdani and some other high-profile figures of the socialist left, most notably Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have shown a pronounced interest in the uses of state power and public administration. But the left’s anti-bureaucratic wing, influenced by C. Wright Mills, Students for a Democratic Society, and other pillars of the New Left, remains alive and well.

              Instead of retreating into facile cynicism about the safety net and regulatory state, people on the left should be trying to occupy the bureaucracy at the state, local, and, after the MAGA putschists are finally expelled from power, federal level—not simply because we need good people in those jobs, but because enough good people in any given department can change its internal culture for the better.

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                You seem to be confusing my opinion differing from yours with me being “confused"

                Apologies. What I meant was that you are confused about what your enemies are doing. That’s a reality. They are not destroying the foundations. They are returning to the foundations.

                This is still America

                Yes, the land built on indigenous genocide by European settlers. You need to remember what happened in the 1970s AIM trials - the US judges ultimately based their arguments on the Doctrine of Discovery, literally they word of the pope saying that the savages in the world could be enslaved, assimilated, and killed if they resisted. I know 50 years feels like a long time ago, and that it probably your enemies that made that argument, but Ruth Bader Ginsberg wrote a majority opinion for SCOTUS and literally said the same thing - US territorial claims are founded on the Doctrine of Discovery.

                So yes, it’s still America. A euro-centric white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. That’s reality.

                at least until THEY destroy it

                Your enemies, the Trumpers and ICE and whatever, are not trying to destroy America. They are trying to reform it and bend it back to the foundations of genocide, enslavement, mass murder, environmental extraction, etc. Reconstruction and Civil Rights were REFORMS on top of that foundation. And it didn’t get very far - the cops still killed black people without any consequences, black people were still disproportionately in prison doing slave labor, the US was killing millions around the world and both parties supported it as did the news papers and technology companies.

                These are not differences of opinion. These are historical facts, from before the founding to the actions of Democrat presidents and politicians literally up to the present day.

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                  You’re right and we don’t have a difference of opinion on the historical facts, but we do disagree on why previous attempts to repair the foundation have failed to prevent future attacks, and who actually benefits most from burning it all down and stripping away the rights and protections oligarchs have been fighting against for hundreds of years.

                  How the south won the civil war: Democracy, Oligarchy, and the fight for the soul of America

                  As Edmund Morgan observes in American Slavery, American Freedom, the seeming paradox of American republicanism was the simultaneous emergence of slavery and freedom in the colonial world. From the outset, the American idea of freedom was exclusive: It was for property-owning men only and was based on the enslavement of people of African descent. The Virginian founding fathers solved the problem of inequality by simply enslaving a racially outcast working poor and at the same time elevating the status of all white men, slaveholders and nonslaveholders alike.

                  For Richardson, the American paradox is a bit different: Slavery and democracy were opposing forces rather than constitutive of each other. She traces the birth of oligarchy, democracy’s enemy, to the ship that brought about 20 enslaved Africans to the British North American mainland in 1619. From then until today, she argues, the history of the United States has been a history of the conflict between democracy and oligarchy. For Morgan, American democracy was based on slavery; for Richardson, though she relies on Morgan’s book, American oligarchy has always rested on combining elite domination with racial and economic inequality. Ever since the arrival of that ship, she maintains, the American republic has allowed its elites to conflate “class and race,” thereby giving them “the language to take over the government and undermine democracy.”

                  At many points in American history, oligarchy—from the slaveholding elite to the robber barons of the Gilded Age—has had the upper hand. But repeatedly, ordinary Americans, especially those who were disenfranchised, like women and African Americans, have pushed back, leading to the triumph of democracy with slavery’s abolition, women’s suffrage, and the enactment of the New Deal and civil rights legislation. By offering an account of the forces of both democratic progress and oligarchic reaction, Richardson provides historical detail to Corey Robin’s argument in The Reactionary Mind, which traced the antidemocratic origins of American conservatism while offering insight into the democratic forces that resisted it. While Robin situates American conservatism in the longue durée of a Western reactionary philosophical tradition, Richardson locates it in a quintessentially Southern political tradition of oligarchy: anti-statism combined with virulent racism and misogyny. For Robin, too, the proslavery ideology exemplified American conservatism. But for Richardson, after the Civil War, the West and eventually the Republican Party helped reinvent the South’s language of oligarchy with an appeal to individualism that overlays a reactionary commitment to racial hierarchy and opposition to a welfare state.

                  I very much agree with Richardson, and believe the battle of oligarchy against democracy is easily traced to the origins of not just Trump, but also the national conservative movement and Project 2025.

                  Your enemies, the Trumpers and ICE and whatever, are not trying to destroy America. They are trying to reform it and bend it back to the foundations.

                  I think we partially agree here, but I think you’re ignoring the fact that there has always been pushback by Americans against oligarchy and hypocrisy in favor of democracy, and that by downplaying or pretending that pushback and rebellion against the hypocrisy didn’t exist, you’re ignoring very important social battles fought following the civil war and the civil rights movement, and you’re inadvertently accomplishing the goal of the New Right/Nat Cons, which is to argue that some fictional idealized past they seek to return to, was a past that ever existed.

                  The founding fathers signed their names to paper documenting their hypocrisy, but they didn’t build this country. This is not their country and it never will be. Slavery built this country, women built this country, marginalized people built this country and fought very hard for the rights they knew they deserved. Immigrants who came in different waves faced and continue to face backlash and discrimination, yet with each new wave they continue to build this country and make it great.

                  After the civil war and following the civil rights movement the Republican party embraced the southern strategy and a (failed) Goldwater campaign for presidency. From there the roots of the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 begin to emerge, and although the origin of the new right movement is often associated with the pro life movement, this is incorrect. The Heritage foundation and the moral majority can be traced to Bob Jones University and anger over the fact that the federal government would not grant segregation academies tax exemption status.

                  The founder of heritage and the new right movement Paul Weyrich, literally stated in 1999, that he had accepted conservatives had lost the cultural war, but believed the failure of the movement was in trying to change American institutions rather than creating new conservative institutions. In 2001, his mentee at the Free Congress Foundation helped him compose the conservative manual The Integration of Theory and Practice

                  "Our movement will be entirely destructive, and entirely constructive. We will not try to reform the existing institutions. We only intend to weaken them, and eventually destroy them. We will endeavor to knock our opponents off-balance and unsettle them at every opportunity. All of our constructive energies will be dedicated to the creation of our own institutions…" "We will maintain a constant barrage of criticism against the Left. We will attack the very legitimacy of the Left. We will not give them a moment’s rest. We will endeavor to prove that the Left does not deserve to hold sway over the heart and mind of a single American. We will offer constant reminders that there is an alternative, there is a better way. When people have had enough of the sickness and decay of today’s American culture, they will be embraced by and welcomed into the New Traditionalist movement. The rejection of the existing society by the people will thus be accomplished by pushing them and pulling them simultaneously." "We will use guerrilla tactics to undermine the legitimacy of the dominant regime. We will take advantage of every available opportunity to spread the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with the existing state of affairs. … contribute to a vague sense of uneasiness and dissatisfaction with existing society. … We need to break down before we can build up. We must first clear away the flotsam of a decayed culture."

                  2024 The Radical Mind: The Origins of Right-Wing Catholic and Protestant Coalition Building

                  Rather than working to conserve the past, this book argues that the New Christian Right is fundamentally a forward-looking and proactive movement focused on remaking the political landscape in the United States.

                  The radical aims of the New Christian Right have been obscured by the way they cultivated a shared identity of victimhood and manipulated the discourse about backlash to create a nostalgic idea of the past that they then leveraged to justify their right-wing policy goals. The Catholic-Protestant alliance constructed an imagined past that they projected into the future as their ideal vision of society. Ebin calls this strategy “prefigurative traditionalism”—a paradoxical prefiguring of a manufactured past. Using this tactic, the New Christian Right coalition disguised the radicality of its politics by framing their aims as reactionary and defensive rather than proactive and offensive.

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                    Nice analysis! Yes, the contradiction between liberty and slavery is at the heart of liberalism. Liberalism, beyond its espousing of values, also has a theory of power. Because liberalism emerged in monarchical aristocratic societies, it inherently bears the shape of the . But it also emerged as an attempt formalize and abstract the changes that mercantilism brought about.

                    What this resulted in was a philosophy of individual liberty in opposition to the subjugation before a monarch, but predicated on the fact that individuals could go make fortunes through imperial adventurism. And in fact, while it stated in its abstract values “liberty for all”, it fundamentally seated power in private property, which was necessary because the only way to scale up mercantile adventures was through the raising of debts from as many wealth people as possible. Mercantilism is what ended driving the first ever instance of common stock.

                    Private property allowed land (and common stock in large adventures) to be pulled away from the control of the sovereign and aligned well with the abstract values around individualism. But it’s clear that liberty for all is impossible if power is seated in private property. The vast vast vast majority of humans do not own private property. They could not invest in mercantile adventures. They could not buy land to create breeding plantations. Liberalism has held this contradiction since its emergence.

                    Private property and liberty for all are contradictory. Obviously we see this with chattel slavery. But equally we see it with the robber barons, the great depression, the opium trade, the imperialism, the necolonialism, the oil theft, the CIA overthrow of elected governments in order to control oil and weatlh.

                    The values of liberalism are in contradiction with the mechanics of liberalism. This is why liberatory movements of the last 150 years have been revolutionary. Not because the desire is to burn everything down but because destroying the foundation of the power structure of liberalism is required to finally resolve the contradiction of liberalism and move into liberation - a movement that champions the values all humans intuitively understand while breaking from the systems of power that betray them.

                    To your original point, this is why we cannot merely corrupt the bureaucracy. You cannot merely put good people in the Senate. It’s impossible. The Senate is structurally minoritarian. It privileges land over people. It enshrines the power mechanics of liberalism which are in contradiction with its values. The only solution for the Senate is abolition. That would require a wholesale change to the Constitution. But then you’d have to do it 51 times, because the states all replicated it in their constitution. And that’s just one bureaucratic structural issue. You’d still have to deal with common law, which privileges owners over the masses. You’d have to deal with private property law, which privileges owners over the masses. You’d have to deal with intellectual property law. And on and on and on.

                    It’s not the people in power that are the problem. It’s the structure of the power. The power structure was built by liberalism. The contradiction is not accidental, it is inherent. The solution is to remove the liberalism and move beyond it to the next phase of human society - a society that merges power and liberation together and actively structures itself around the resolution of contradiction, not merely the management of it.