“The guy is not a democrat with a small d,” the president told CNN’s Erin Burnett.
President Joe Biden said in an interview Wednesday he is all but certain Donald Trump, his predecessor and presumptive 2024 rival, will reject the results of the November election and called Trump “dangerous” for the nation.
“The guy is not a democrat with a small d,” Biden told CNN’s Erin Burnett during a visit to Wisconsin this week.
“How many court cases do they have, Supreme Court cases? They’ve all said this is a totally legitimate election. … He may not accept the outcome of the election? I promise you he won’t. Which is dangerous.”
The president went on to say other world leaders had expressed to him their fear of a second Trump presidency and pointed to Trump’s pledge to prosecute his political opponents if he enters the Oval Office once more.
Just like in 2016, he called the election rigged and that he wouldn’t accept the results. And then he won, and suddenly, all the wolf cries of “it’s rigged” vanished into thin air and they started saying how it was the most significant election of all time, a true underdog come-from-behind win, and wow look how big the crowd size is at my inauguration, I bet Obama didn’t pull a crowd like that! Nothing ever mentioned about it being rigged again except for how he should have won by even wider margins than he did.
I fucking hate Trump with every fiber of my body. How stupid do you have to be to look at this guy or listen to him speak and take away anything other than the fact that he’s an egomaniac who has never been held accountable for anything in his entire life? If anybody ever says positive things about him in front of me for the rest of my life, that person is dead to me.
Even calling it an underdog story kind of betrays the truth that they did not expect to win, contrary to their claims that a loss would prove a rigged election.
They know it’s rigged because they’re the ones rigging the damn things
It’s impossible for them to understand the idea that the Democrats might not also be desperately trying to counter-rig every election, and rather just have such a shit ton more voters outside the hostile voting environments that they still occasionally pull out a win now and then
Trump is awesome. I love him. MAGA 2024
He’s awesome because he fucked a porn star while his wife was pregnant?
Or is he awesome because he stole from his own charity?
Is he awesome because he’s so disrespectful?
Is he so awesome because he goes on these weird nonsensical rants like the nuclear one?
Is he awesome because he estranged all the US allies, making the US weaker than ever before?
Is he awesome because he withdrew from a base in such a hurry that when Russian forces took over they still could.use all the food supplies left behind?
Is he awesome because he wants to be a dictator? Not my words, his.
Is he awesome because he completely ignored Corona, saying a miracle would cure it, and then edging people on to take ivermectin, then talking about injecting bleach? Causing millions extra to unnecessarily die, btw.
Why exactly IS he awesome? What part, that I might have missed, is awesome?
And just to be clear: all the above happened, don’t even start with “that never happened” because then you need to stop watching right wing news outlets and just… I dunno, go out and touch grass?
Stop trying to make trump sound cool.
Stop being a teenage edgelord. I’ve seen the likes of you come and go and be absolutely worthless all my life, and you’re just sad.
That’s not what I’m trying to do. half the things you wrote are cool, more if you don’t suck.
AAAAAAAA IT’S THE OPINION 🤮
Even if he wins he won’t accept any states he lost that he thought he should’ve won. I could absolutely see a situation where Trump sues one of the Secretaries of State and tries to pull all the same shit he did in Georgia (which he has yet to be punished for, assuming he ever will be)
(which he has yet to be punished for, assuming he ever will be)
Federal courts are all punting these cases until after November. Even if he’s convicted in New York, there’s a good chance he just… refuses to go back to New York to be sentenced. Or perhaps they just don’t get to sentencing until after the election, at which point it’ll be a moot point.
Well, if the diaper baby doesn’t accept it, too bad. This time Biden will be running the executive branch if any of donnie’s cult try to start some stuff.
What has given you the impression that Biden has the spine or brains to face off with that? He’s not a fighter and the only thing he has any true ideology about is protecting Israel’s genocide.
Theyll be breaking the door down to his office and the moron will probably try to “reach across the aisle” and they’ll cut his hand off. Then his do-nothing AG will sit and wring his hands and pee in his pants because he heard someone say the word ‘partisan’. The man’s brain is about 30 years behind current events.
Remember this when certain people here try to tell you that both sides are the same. The people that do nothing but plaster this community with hit pieces directed towards the one side that has a chance to stop this clown from destroying our democracy.
VOTE LIKE LIVES DEPEND ON IT. Because many actually do.
Democrats have refused to stop Trump at every juncture. Id really should be appalling to us that we allowed democracy to be on the ballot when we had four years to patch every exploit in the system.
This is not what success looks like. Im just very tired knowing that Democrats never seems to push anything beyond half measures that fail.
The stakes were simply too high, and we’ve let the cancer metastisize too long.
Lets hope we can shove it into remission, but we really should have done it earlier.
Oh I agree. I’m disillusioned with the entire thing as well. But I’d rather pick up a sword and fight along-side the lazy asshole against the tyrant dragon instead of telling others that the lazy asshole deserves to be eaten- like some people here suggest.
Because I know that after the tyrant dragon eats the lazy asshole, we’re all next. And these people don’t seem to understand that this is how it works.
Yeah except that what you’ve described is a delusional fantasy. The ‘lazy asshole’ in your metaphor has been enabling and empowering the tyrant asshole the entire time, and when it comes to draw swords, they’ll be turning cloak to try and retain some semblance of power and position.
They aren’t your allies and they never have been.
Yeah except that what you’ve described is a delusional fantasy. PROCEEDS TO AGGREE WITH COMMENT
Yeah thats not what their comment described.
The ‘lazy asshole’ in their metaphor is never coming to your aid. They’ll vote to call protestation against Israel hate speach before they’ll ever consider reforming the system that keeps them in power. This is the solipsistic delusion I’m highlighting. ALL of the evidence suggests that Democrats will maintain support a tyrannical Republican agenda before considering the kind of critical systematic introspection necessary to actually reform the system. Democrats are not interested in reform of a system that keeps them in power.
The only place in which Democrats are a reform party is in the deluded minds of their aquarian sycophants. There is no external evidence to suggest that Democrats are a reform party, because at every given opportunity to do so, Democrats refuse. Its a Marvel-tier fantasy that the Democrats writ large are the heroes in this story.
The problem is that a majority of those vocally supporting Biden can’t just be happy with people agreeing they’ll vote for Biden over Trump, but they insist that people live in the fan-fiction fantasy land with them.
Democrats have refused to stop Trump at every juncture. Id really should be appalling to us that we allowed democracy to be on the ballot when we had four years to patch every exploit in the system.
Your down voters have been propagandized to their entire lives that there is always a ‘team good’ and a ‘team evil’, and that the lathe of heaven cuts just so. Its the rebels versus the empire and the rebels always just. Its David versus Goliath, and the underdog always wins.
Its a fantasy. Democrats as a functional political party, in practice, are not allies of the people. They’ve supported and promoted effectively an identical slate of polices to Republicans for almost 50 years. It was RBG that refused to step down from the supreme court. It was Obama who didn’t pressure her to do so. Its the Democrats who refused to fully investigate Trumps involvement with Russia in the Mueller investigation, because they needed to take the ‘high road’. Republicans are there to represent a convenient excuse, while its Democrats who fail to do what they need to do when its the right time to do it. They aren’t your friends, they aren’t even your allies. Stop engaging in these masturbatory fantasies of what you think this institution represents.
Muller is a Republican, was made director during a Repub admin, and was working in a Republican DoJ. You might want to choose a different example if you’d like to give the impression you know what you are talking about?
I’m pissed off about RBG as well, but they are lifetime appointments. Not sure what the Dems as a collective group were supposed to do on that one. By the time Obama had an obstructionist Senate it was too late.
Hows the water doing? Getting heavy yet?
Oh, no, I think it’s pretty rewarding to educate young children such as yourself. Feels good.
You live in a fantastic delusion regarding your relationship to power.
My dude, fascism is here, it doesn’t just have its foot in the door it’s sitting in the living room wiping its ass with Biden’s throw pillows. Genocide is already being carried out in your name.
People need to start getting into a resistance and preparation mindset, not thinking Biden’s going to help reverse our course towards fascism. There’s a long road of direct action ahead if people hope to turn the ship. Lesser of two evils isn’t cutting it, they’re both leading us to the same place
ROFL… this is exactly what I’m talking about. Thanks for illustrating my point. You couldn’t have done it better.
There may have been people that weren’t aware of what I was talking about.
The irony here is you’re the one who doesn’t understand the situation we’re actually in.
The house is on fire and you’re telling people “Don’t worry guys, if we just stay in the kitchen there’s no fire here so it’ll be ok. It’s vitally important everyone stay in the kitchen, don’t listen to that extremist firefighter telling you to leave the building. Quick, someone grab that sieve, we can use it to splash water from the sink on the fire, we can save the house if we all just grab a sieve!”
Cool little analogy. But there’s no house and no fire. And I’m not telling anyone anything other than not to listen to propagandists that are suggesting that not voting is an expression of anything other than supporting a Trump victory.
Everyone knows what all of you are about. Check your ratios man. You lost this battle.
Your political strategy has failed though, again and again and again. Why the hell should anyone listen to you when people following your prescription in the past, is what produced the very situation we find ourselves in?
Listen-
If you don’t vote, someone is still getting elected. Because that is how elections work. Not voting doesn’t make the bad things go away.
And folding your arms and pouting, hoping that that the other guy winning sends a message will only end VERY poorly for a lot of people- and the message will fall on deaf ears. Because that is how it works. You’re not NEARLY as relevant as you think you are as a collective. Because you’ve already been counted as a non-vote. They know every election year that SJWs aren’t going to vote. It’s already factored in.
But if you DO vote, you can help ensure that something exponentially worse doesn’t happen.
Then, over the next four years you can get off your ass and actually do something that will matter come 2028. Or, you could just do as your lot does, and not give a fuck until the election year and then suddenly become outraged by whatever is happening then.
Either way… your call. You’re not making the waves you think you are. You never do. Remember Bernie? How’d that work for you? And you people were actually TRYING then. Hell, I donated several hundred dollars to his campaign when I could.
You’ll learn, or you won’t.
Look, it’s really important that you understand this; what you’re doing right now, this political strategy, is an abject failure. People have done things just how you’re arguing, have gone along with it for literally decades it it has failed. So the only reason I can think that you continue is because you want that failure to continue.
Also, you can’t on one hand write an entire essay of a response to something and then claim it’s no big deal and “not making waves”. Remember Clinton? How’d that work out for you?
Why do Biden Bros get so offended that people don’t want to live in a make believe world where they’re happy to vote for Biden? No where did they say that won’t vote for him over Trump.
Lesser of two evils isn’t cutting it, they’re both leading us to the same place
Then you’d concede that if they are leading us to different places, lesser of two evils does cut it.
You’re playing chess. You have a choice - lose a pawn, or you can keep the pawn and the next move you’ll lose by checkmate. I dunno about you, but I’m saying goodbye to that pawn.
That’s the choice, except instead of keeping the pawn you lose it anyway because Trump likes Israel even more. Biden wins, there will be a different Democratic nominee in 2028. And if you want it to be someone more in line with your thinking than Biden, well you know what you gotta do in 2028.
But if Trump wins, he’s gonna do everything in his power to make sure the choice in 2028 is his and not yours. Not stopping him is game over.
No, like chess, at a certain point it becomes clear that you’ve lost the game you’re playing. It doesn’t matter if you save your metaphorical pawn or not in this scenario, delaying with the lesser of two evils will not create any further opportunities to turn things around.
It is the end game, and it turns out that the using the lesser of two evils as a strategy for the past 7, 8, 9 election cycles has been a definiteively losing strategy. It has produced no favorable results, instead it has simply allowed fascism to creep in at a pace which the general public will acclimate to it. And once the majority is acclimated, there is nothing that anyone who cares can do.
Instead, you should not be playing a game with rules rigged by two parties, neither of whom actually have an interest or will to preserve democracy. Instead you should be turning the board over and refusing to play
Voting for the lesser of two evils has been the strategy since day 1. In 1860 both Lincoln and his opponent Douglas wanted to keep slavery (Lincoln only wanted to limit its spread), and worse, only some Americans were allowed to vote. Forget the far left, a modern moderate might refuse to vote at all in that election - why vote for Lincoln if you’re voting for someone who wants to keep something as abhorrent as slavery?
Yet voting for Lincoln nevertheless did move the needle against slavery and eventually led to its abolition. And voting for people we’d almost certainly see today as the lesser evil eventually would lead also to improvements in worker rights, universal suffrage, social security and medicare, ending segregation, gay rights, and the right to abortion - before refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils took that away.
It’s your right not to vote. But what happens - or doesn’t - is your responsibility.
You understand the needle didn’t move because of moderates and voting the lesser of two evils, right? Every major shift in progress in this country was accompanied by protest, conflict and refusal to go along with the status quo.
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so biden won’t accept a trump win and trump won’t accept a biden win. good, good. awesome
I strongly encourage everyone to watch the embedded video in the article.
Because we don’t get many opportunities to see/hear Biden speak.
A lot of the shit we give trump about with his speaking, Biden does it too. It’s just trump does a hell of a lot more public speaking than Biden.
Biden used to be literally the best public speaker in the party, that’s why he almost won the 88 primary till all the plagiarism and lying about law school stuff came out and he started screaming at reporters that he was smarter than them.
They’re both two fucking old, and so is Bernie and every other politician in the late 70s or 80s.
We’re not talking about if someone that age can be a Walmart greeter to keep busy, this is literally the toughest and most stressful job in the country, if the person is actually doing their job.
And 80 year old just can’t do it.
I’ll tell you what. You can sit online all day complaining about the average age of our elected “representatives” or you you can mobilize to do something about it. Be politically active. Vote.
Or even run yourself or encourage others of an acceptable age to you to run.
The reason they are so fucking old is for the exact reason you’d expect: voter participation of those 65+ is about 3x of those 18-29.
So instead of party pursuing voters. Which is pretty much the entire point of the party, you think they should ignore a large voter block that is literally and inevitably going to be the future of the party in just a few decades?
May I ask how old you are?
You may ask and I may not answer.
But think about what you said. They pursue the voters that vote for them. When most of your voters are older then yeah, you cater to them. But I also think you grossly underestimate how much they DO actually do for younger voters.
Read Jacobin #40 for some perspective.
Because there’s now no viable option for president that will be held accountable for anything by their own party.
Sometimes it may seem this way but it really isn’t. We get some of what we want. The equation is simple: Get some of what you want under a dem administration or most of what you don’t want under a republican administration.
Our system is such that nobody gets 100% of what they want 100% of the time. So what you aim for is to get a party in with a platform that at least allows some of what you want to happen. By throwing up your hands and saying “well the dems are just as bad” and thus not voting you are essentially making it impossible for any of what you want to happen. If Trump wins you can kiss a supreme court majority goodbye. If Trump wins you can look forward to gutting any effort to promote renewables and hold the oil industry accountable. You can look forward to no woman being safe with her medical choices. The list here is enormous.
Meanwhile Biden has accomplished a lot. I don’t like many of his policies, but I’m not blind to the good his administration has done. I think you are, so let me remind you of just a few:
- OTC birth control pills & EOs on reproductive rights
- Huge gains in renewable power
- Loosening cannabis restrictions
- Student loan forgiveness
- Big support for domestic semiconductor production
- Boosting cancer research
- Huge support for unions and unionization (this is a really big deal!)
- Transgender support & visibility (e.g. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/03/29/a-proclamation-on-transgender-day-of-visibility-2024/)
Take any one of these things and imagine the opposite. That’s what will happen under any republican administration.
You may not like Biden and I totally get that, but NEVER EVER think your vote doesn’t matter just because you don’t get exactly what you want. We got a decent amount and we CAN get more. Get Biden elected and then (a) be politically active for local and state elections; (b) protest: it works.
They pursue the voters that vote for them.
If that was true, after Obama flipped a bunch of red states, the party would have moved to younger more progressive candidates. Hell, they’d have done it after Bill.
Instead they kept running the same candidates that lost to Obama. Even tho by then they were older and even more out of touch.
Meanwhile the DNC has consistently made changes that limit the chances of a popular candidate against the party’s pre selected pick.
Like, I’d have to ignore the last 30 years of American political history.
Clinton and Obama were two of the youngest presidents we’ve had, and they ran the most progressive campaigns since FDR and killed it.
It took trump in office for an older moderate to win, but that’s consistently the type of candidate the party props up.
And youre acting like those are things that are solved…
It took Bernie pulling Biden left for him to promise to solve some of those things, and he failed to meet his promise. Most are just crumbs that we recently got only because the election is coming up.
Voters want more, and more voters would come out for the candidate
If that was true, after Obama flipped a bunch of red states, the party would have moved to younger more progressive candidates.
Huh? That completely doesn’t follow.
Maybe I wasn’t clear. Let me try again: When you know that only a tiny fraction of 18-30 year olds are going to even vote, you don’t bother putting forth policies that appeal to them. Instead, you put forth policies that appeal to the largest percentage of voters you can hope to get. So Obama and Hillary both balanced a more progressive agenda against the need to attract voters. They knew for example, that universal healthcare was popular among younger voters but not popular with boomers and even a large chunk of Gen X. So which did you think they went with?
It’s not rocket surgery, it’s basic math.
Meanwhile the DNC has consistently made changes that limit the chances of a popular candidate
This is true. But are you gonnna just throw up your hands or are you going to do something about it? Do you think not voting or not voting for Biden will make it more or less likely you will get a Dem candidate that appeals to you down the road? There’s a decent possibility you will get NO Dem candidate at all.
I have to be honest. I think you are ignoring the power you have. That WE have. It was absolutely not Bernie that helped Biden do anything. It was Biden recognizing that folks like us want a more progressive agenda and using Bernie to help make the case that he was in fact leaning in that direction. He has to acknowledge some of the progressive agenda to win younger votes but at the same time he has to appeal to the far larger chunk of folks who will, you know, actually vote.
I also think you are expressing a point of view that is rather troubling to me. That you think you will get everything you want instantly out of our political system. Change is incremental and slow. It is built one piece at a time on a foundation of Democratic party wins that allow us to appoint judges and enact legislation that maybe doesn’t get where we want to go in the first pass, but allows it to happen the next time. Younger folks have trouble conceptualizing this, and it’s understandable - your time scale is smaller.
So if you want to see change you need to: 1. Vote EVERY TIME; 2. Protest and push for progressive policies; 3. Support younger candidates; 4. Acknowledge this is a long game.
When you know that only a tiny fraction of 18-30 year olds are going to even vote,
Except they do when they get a good candidate…
Biden coasted with them last year because he was only known as Obama’s VP and his TV appearances back then.
But young people are idealistic, they have standards.
If we run a candidate that meets those standards, we don’t lose any votes. We even gain some from older demographics because some people keep their ideals.
The only negative to running popular candidates is it upset donors. And instead of doing that, the DNC keeps making new loopholes so they can donate even more, because it’s the only way to get the unpopular candidates.
This system is Ludacris like it’s from St Louis, we’ve gone straight past plaid, and most people seem to be completely fine with it.
When it can be sooo much better if we just stopped accepting that politicians have to suck.
Except they do when they get a good candidate…
Which is exactly my point and exactly the problem even if your assertion is not well supported by the data.
“We’ll only vote if you give us our perfect ideal candidate” - ignoring that (a) you can’t get everything you want in a candidate; (b) other people get a say too; © getting a directionally ok candidate is far better than getting a directionally bad candidate; (d) “good” candidate is a highly subjective assessment. Not all folks 18-whatever are all that progressive.
I gotta admit you come across as rather entitled or at least rather immature. You are demanding the system cater exactly to your specific needs and refuse to participate if it doesn’t.
I like your comment. Also isnt it comical how simple truths (e.g. the system doesnt represent us, politicians too old etc) keep getting downvoted so hard, huh? Keep it up, you never know. Someone out there who reads more than writes may learn something and start pulling their head out of the cavern below their belt.
For the room:
Like, get a grip y’all. criticism is an important part of a free democracy, and the press has abdicated its position something must fill this gap. Honestly, you dumbasses actually need folks like us around to point things out that you guys would never ever come up with on your own (i think everyone is a dumbass at something btw, Even geniuses are dumbasses at at least one thing, and politics is a big one. Many otherwise intelligent people become spittin’ simpletons when politics is le topic.)
Yes. Yes i am talking to you. You, the one already preparing to reply. Don’t. You don’t got nothing to say i haven’t already heard. Those of you still reading, i respect you more for it. It’s not like ill read the replies a comment like this generated.
So, listen up:
We’re not russo-chinese spies lol. That is a stupid claim. Only stupid people believe this. We are your peers. This peer in particular is a little tired explaining how the world works, but ill keep going, because this is how i do democracy. This is how democracy is done in a free society.
How convenient (for those still not convinced) that the TV and news did a ad hominem! How great that you already know all your need to! How nice to know that all dissenting opinions are simply spies, bad actors or useful idiots! How very convenient that the easiest path forward, and the right thing to do is nothing.
Learn nothing, consider nothing, suspect nothing, do nothing.
I envy you believers… What a lovely faith to have.
Engagement points are to your left. I appreciate your clicking either one of them
People said trump in 16 was the most dangerous thing because his party would excuse anything he did because Dems are worse…
And I agreed.
But now Dems are saying we have to excuse anything Dem politicians do. Because Republicans are worse.
It’s true republicans are worse, but if our standards for our own party are non-existent, then we have an even worse problem.
Because there’s now no viable option for president that will be held accountable for anything by their own party.
And since we can’t even punish trump for trying to overthrow the government, because that requires super majorities. There’s no way any president will ever be held accountable for anything.
We’re watching the literal downfall of the American experiment and people just want to argue if trump or Biden plays the fiddle best.
Since i get called a spy and bad actor so often, it got me thinking about theories n such.
Now, I don’t believe this, but if there were astroturfing i would think it would be done by both the DNC and RNC. I’m just screwing around, but it would make sense a lil bit.
The green party will get a larger percentage than normal this year, and while I don’t think the DNC or RNC feel threatened by them, it is very important to them that Americans never feel a third party is possible.
Meh. There’s no conspiracy, its just people getting whipped up into a today cuz it’s an election year and truth is on hiatus.
If it was astroturfing I’d be a lot less scared.
The reality is it’s really people that will now excuse any behavior if there’s a D next to the president name. And other people have already been excusing anything from the other side of the aisle.
Too many people are now like that. A president won’t be held accountable for anything, and most of the people voting won’t even like who they’re voting for.
This isn’t democracy. The person who gets the most votes doesn’t even always win.
It’s going to suck, and it’s going to be hard, but we desperately need to fix our political system. The longer we wait the harder it’ll get
He won in 2016 and he still didn’t accept the result. He spent months insisting that the elections were rigged to prevent him from getting even larger margins, and then he turned the DOJ inside-out to pursue years of “election fraud” investigations intent on keeping a large Republican majority into 2018 (which failed anyway when his fickle white base turned on him).
Of course, Bush pulled the same shit during his time in office, running cover via his own DOJ for dozens of state gerrymandering campaigns (the Texas Gerrymander of 2005 stacked the deck for permanent Republican majority into the modern day). And Reagan pulled this shit via his captured Civil Rights Division before that. And Nixon before that.
When Trump wins in 2024, it will suck again. But it won’t suck uniquely. This is an age-old fight, between a caged/disenfranchised popular majority and a wealthy manipulative white nationalist minority.
Trump will accept the results of the 2024 election. Ask me how I know.
